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Thank you guys very much for joining us. So welcome to Episode 54 of The Dirt Life Show. We are stoked to be with you guys on this Monday night. We have our shows every Monday night, except for if it’s a live show we have on Fridays. So thank you very much again for joining us. You can always join us on YouTube and Facebook Live Monday night 6pm. And if you can’t, you got dinner with a family or whatever, you can always go to iTunes and watch later or YouTube and watch later as well. We’ve been getting a lot more views and stuff on iTunes. That’s been really, really helpful. Thank you guys very much for supporting us clicking the subscribe button on both YouTube and iTunes. It really really does help us. So we’re super stoked to have you guys here. Tonight’s show is going to be awesome. Awesome. Awesome. So first, I’d like to welcome my buddy co host extraordinaire Casey Peck. How’s it going, dude, it’s going You, oh, it’s going pretty good. I was gonna talk about it. I’ve been doing some therapy. So it’s not motor sports related, but I know exactly how that works. I’m making it motor sports related. So you had kind of the same thing, probably when you had surgery on your brain. So we’re going to show a couple people and talk about it a little. It’s well, I don’t know, my head hurt pretty bad after doing it. But what’s up Jeff angel? How you doing, buddy? Yeah, man. So we want to get a little bit more interactive. We apologize on the show. Weekly, it seems like because we can’t keep up with all the comments and stuff, but we’re gonna see if we can do a little bit better and interact with you guys so that you guys can have some more fun with us. You can always join us anytime. Not even during the show, but anytime on Facebook and YouTube and hang out with us. Excuse me on Instagram as well. And man we’ve been getting so much attention on Instagram, from people messaging and just saying you know what the The show has been doing such a good job and it’s really really means a lot to me to hear that stuff because she knows that our hard work is paying off. I’ve said it a couple times, but it really does make you feel good. You know what I mean? Definitely when you get the pat on the back at work, yeah. So thank you guys very much for letting us know that, that you guys appreciate what we’re doing. So let’s keep getting interactive as much as possible. So like I said, you can reach us anytime at The Dirt Life Show. And we have links to all of our awesome guests and stuff there too. You can go to The Dirt Life Show calm. We don’t really promote that that much. But it’s a central repository. You can watch all the videos and shows and everything. And if you can’t watch him, you can always listen to him. So

looks like a couple of people are saying hi, Rory and Brian Myers. What’s up, guys? So when we get the show started off today, we’re just gonna thank all of our sponsors want to thank shock therapy, Justin Smith over there. He’s just an amazing dude. Overall, we have some really, really, really, I mean, like I could say really like 10 more times. Cool stuff coming in the next few days here. And so we’re gonna do a bunch of stuff with Justin A new project that we have with Craig Scanlon and Scanlon Motorsports group, awesome. So it’ll be really cool to announce that so please pay attention to our social media during the week here, it’s gonna be really cool to show it to all you guys. We can’t wait. And it has to do with the UTV World Championship. So we’re going to talk a little bit about that next week on next week’s show. So thank you very much adjusting that shock therapy for supporting that cause and being such an awesome awesome guy. You can use it go dirt life over at shock therapist comm where you can call and mention that their life sensu and they’ll give you a big fat discount on whatever you guys need over there. Most of the guys are getting the right improvement system. I think that’s what your friends got. Yep. In their razor. So and thank you very much to Rana KMC wheels. He’s gonna also be involved in that project as well. And he’s going to be coming up tonight to we’re going to talk with him he just built a I don’t know exactly what card is, but it’s a player’s turbo, two seater car and they did a desert race called DB for this past weekend. was like a night race. So he’s gonna tell us all about it. So that’ll be cool. That sounds like fun. Yeah, so and he’s gonna sports project that we have going on too. So that’ll be really cool. Mack Mitchell, What’s up buddy? and Travis Zoolander of Zoolander racing products. He’s also going to be supporting like cars too. So nice. It’s just so awesome to have all these great sponsors that are on board with the show. And they’re, you know, getting involved with these other side projects that we have going on. So I think it’s just super cool, Amanda, the content and stuff that we’re going to be able to produce and the fun that we’re going to be able to have with our audience members and our fans is going to be super, super cool. So I can’t wait. You can use the code dirt life as Zoolander racing products calm and save a whole bunch of money. The guys at rugged radios we had a couple people ask about doing a communications episode. So I think we’re gonna actually try to pull it off. We’re gonna actually do it. So hopefully, we have it in the next I don’t know two or three months like the guys that rugged are so freakin busy man. They’re doing all kinds of stuff, with events and just so much fun. stuff and now that racing is getting back going again. Those guys are gonna be, you know, bent for election maybe going to baja all these different fun places Well, maybe you can we can lean on some of our guests that you know are in the pro ranks that do that stuff and are experts at it. Yeah, I think that’s a really good idea. So we’re definitely gonna include all of these people during the time when we do have the show, but I think you know, like Wayne and Kristen Matlock who we just had on the show, they’re fantastic with communicate obviously know how to do it. Yeah. Justin Smith, shock therapy. He’s really good at it, too. So we’re gonna lean on all those people. But I think it’s just going to be an awesome awesome time to be able to do a communications episode because we’ll have every single person that we that we know needs it, you know, so especially some even we talked about it before you need it now on the on the dual sport, it would be cool, I think, to be able to talk with each other good. Yeah. So yeah, you can use the code dirt life at rugged radios, calm and pick up some stuff, save a whole bunch of money. They got a bunch of new products. Thank you very much Lance and everybody has solder weld. You can get your solder weld off road repair kit and slam that in your vehicle and make sure that you can bond metal if you guys have any breakdowns on the trailer during a race you can use the code dirt life and save a whole bunch of money there too. So

yeah, man, I think the communications will be super cool, because you’ve been riding your what we’ll call it enduro dual sport bike moto almost every weekend now huh? No, not not every try I’m trying to keep it so it’s fresh right so it’s like not you know get burnt down yeah, there’s so much going on in life at the moment. So and yeah, I don’t want to get burnt out it’s I want to I want to look forward to it as much as I am right now. I put it that way. So it’s been every two to three weeks and it’s all street legal now. So that was that was pretty cool to we parked at Jeremy’s was house and did a little, you know, ride down the street and then to the to the area did a bunch of single track and then stopped by the restaurant and had some lunch. It was nice. That is super cool or fun. You want to go riding and you can have lunch? How cool is that? Perfect. Was it tacos or no? No, it was burger. Oh, that’s so good. Those good. It looks like Mac Mitchell had a comment in there too. Yeah, Mac. Mac wants to know how to get Mac’s line involved in projects. That’s awesome Mac. Yeah, let’s, let’s definitely do that Mac, I think you have either mine or Casey’s contact information. So feel free to reach out anytime, man. And we’ll we’ll get together with you for sure. So we won’t duct tape you to the to the fence. I promise. That’s a story for another time. Is it? Yeah, that sounds like a pretty good story. It’s great. It’s a great one. So yeah, we we want to start off the show by I don’t know if this is gonna be very interesting or not but I have a feeling it is because I went to Texas last week and a half ago. And I went out there to do some filming for the tech Plex final round. Where hunter Miller last week’s guest 140 thousand dollars of a championship bonus which is super cool. But the real reason that I went out there was for a doctor’s appointment. And they’re gonna give me some tasks to do some eye and brain therapy, right. And so you can probably relate to this good. So we have some visuals in the studio today for people that are listening on iTunes, but we have a whole notebook or whatever you want to call it, uh, diagrams and stuff of how to do some of these eye exercises. And the reason I bring it up is not to be boring, but I think it could be super beneficial for any racer, or any person that’s driving a vehicle riding a vehicle, because it’s crazy how much it makes you focus. Yep. And it’s weird how all of these different exercises actually show you how you can change your viewpoint quickly to be able to manage a situation like let’s just say you’re on a trail, and you’re riding and somebody brake checks you you can react quicker. Yeah, or even traffic. Yeah, exactly. It was crazy. So since I’ve been doing these exercises, and I think you’ve done some of them before to Casey. It really honestly makes you think That rethink like, why didn’t I do this before when, you know, I was injured so I’m doing it now. But before I had this injury, like why didn’t somebody tell me I could do this and make my brain and my eyes stronger? Totally. So both of my daughters

had some things going on with their eyes that normally they would just cut you and do surgery. Right. And we found some awesome therapists and they did vision therapy for years. Yeah. And I started messing around with these two doing you know, just because they were doing it right. And it’s amazing because you start you start losing that stuff as you get older. Yeah, it’s really weird. So for people, like I said, that are aren’t watching on the live feed or aren’t watching visually on YouTube, and maybe you’re listening on iTunes. Casey has a string in his hands and on the string. It has three different color, marbles or balls. And so you focus on those things. So you put it out in front of you and you focus close, medium and then far away, right and you move your eyes Back and forth, and you do it in a timely manner, like most of the time, you just use like a metronome like a clicker. Right? And then you speed it up or slow it down. And you could just like search for it on Google. And that’s your timing. Yeah, that’s your timing I see. And it makes it so that you can start out at like, let’s just say, I don’t know, 60 beats per minute, and then you work up to like, 120 or whatever, right? And then so the office that I went to is a sports rehabilitation center in Dallas or Plano. And so they have a, you know, like a normal person could be an I don’t know if this is a grill case, but like, let’s just say 50 beats per minute. Well, actually could be 120 or 200. Right? So there’s different qualifications for it. And so these things is what all started me thinking about this conversation was because, Dude, why aren’t more racers and athletes doing their skill set, right? And and so I have a pen in my hand and this one, like, I did all these exercises. It took me about, I don’t know, 45 minutes or so this morning, and I have to do it three times a day. So that’s like almost two, two and a half hours in Then. But it really, really like I left doing the exercises. And I tried to drive around and it was difficult because all of this stuff that was reconnecting in my head from my eyes, and the different brain paths that were Dude, I felt like somebody kicked me in the head. It hurts so bad. Isn’t that crazy? It was bananas it is. That’s how you can rewire is so imagine if you break a leg and you lose all the muscle and it’s atrophy. Right? Right. You had to like it hurts so bad when you’re building it back up. That’s what it felt like in my brain in my skull. I agree. And then so they gave me other exercises. Like if again, if you’re not watching, you can check it out. But the I’m pulling a panda towards my face and it kind of makes you go cross eyed, but then you focus it outwards and you do this, you know, 10 repetitions or whatever, at a certain speed. It’s insane what it does to your body and then they have moving exercises where you move your head and you follow these things. It’s so crazy. And this one, I think we used to do it the girls so you have the string and you have a gun on your nose and then I think we used to tie it to something maybe $1 or something, or you know, whatever you just saw, it’s far away. Yeah. And then it was that same thing where you would look at the green look at the red look at the yellow color. Yeah, in the three different segments or steps. Yeah, dude, it’s it’s so crazy man. And I don’t like I said, I don’t mean the segment to be boring on the show. I I just think it’s so awesome that these people, I didn’t have one doctor in the past year and a half Tell me about any of this stuff to fix my brain or my eyes, right? All of a sudden, I find these guys. So I’m going to make sure that I give every possible opportunity to anybody that needs these kind of absolutely right out, throw it out there and see if anybody picks it up. Here’s what you do what you it’s just kind of a natural progression. So if you start doing this stuff, you start training yourself like to start thinking of how else I could do it. Yeah, next thing you know, you’re driving, this is what happened to me. You’re just driving down the freeway or whatever. And you decide, hey, there’s a telephone pole. That’s pretty far away. Yeah. So then you do that to your Speedo, and then that to your radio, dude, I did the same thing. I mean, it’s just I promise it’s just a natural progression. And then the next thing you know You are like this. Yeah. On those kind of reactions it works. It really does. I did the same exact thing today to man. So first of all, I’m really excited about this for myself, obviously you guys can tell, but I didn’t want anybody to lose out on it right? No, I didn’t know about it. Share it. Absolutely. I figured why not share it? I like roars idea a little sidebar here. We need to do a day a day in the dirt life. Or a dirt life day. There you go. Ooh, that would be pretty cool. We’re gonna kind of be doing that trail riding barbecue. Love it. That would actually be Yeah. Maybe we’ll have to follow along with you on your one of your moto rides. We’ll get into side by side and follow you guys. That’d be cool. Looks like we have some other people commenting into huh? We got we’re gonna have a mouse cheek calling in just a bit to or actually Ryan Edwards i think is first right on. Yeah. Jeff’s reminding us that the weather is changing. I agree with you. rides coming soon. It’s not as hot. Yep. Yeah, I definitely want to go red and soon. I think it’ll be pretty cool. To get everybody out there. We got miles cheap colonists Let’s see what what he’s got going on miles. What’s going down? Dude? How are you?

Good yourself. We’re doing good man. Good buddy. We’re just talking about what racers can do to make themselves better. I’ve been doing some brain and eye therapy lately because of my injury. But I feel like it would be amazing for like people that don’t even have an injury to try it because they could focus so much better in the race cars. More hand dye stuff, dude, it’s crazy. Yeah. And it was at a Dallas like sports rehab place that I went to that does all this stuff. So I think it’d be amazing if some dude, how about this? How about all I’ll do it with you secret and then you will see how much faster you get. Yeah.

I’ll take it.

So sweet man we really appreciate Yeah, exactly. Right. Yeah. Especially in the side by side class where everybody’s spaced out like by like point two seconds. Oh, yeah, it’s been getting so tight lately. That you’ve been doing really good though man especially at Wheatland You really want to do I was hoping that you would clean house all weekend and get the 111 score but you won two races and then I think Brock Hager. And then you got second and the other race, right.

Yeah, the goal was to win all of them. But, Brock. It’s so tough like, especially racing against Tim. It’s like whoever can get out in front of each other in the beginning of the race first, because once we start racing with each other, like, No, we’ve been racing with each other 12 years now. Oh, yeah. So like, he like he’s starting to learn more and more like what moves I like to throw out and so he’s, like, we just know each other so well, and I want to racing against each other. It’s like hard to pull some new tricks out.

Yeah, exactly. For us old guys in spy versus spy. Yeah.

So it was still pretty cool to see that though. And I really like the whole I don’t know what you want to call it, but like the Ford versus Chevy battle where you have the place vs Yamaha battle. I think it’s super, super cool that you guys are doing that man and you stick to your guns with the RS one.

Oh yeah, yeah, it’s getting super competitive and they got the manufacturer points going this year too. So I got to try to do what I can and get the points up for them also.

So what’s the what’s the racing been like with all of this 2020 bs that’s been going on like you guys have raised a little bit so far and I just read a something in an email that came through today that there’s going to be two more race weekends for Lucas off road. And both of those weekends are going to be triple headers. So Friday racing Friday, Saturday and Sunday. One at Glen Helen and one at wild horse pass kind of just like you did at Wheatland what’s like what do you have to do on the points to make sure that you keep the lead or win the championship?

I’m just got to stay consistent. Thankfully we haven’t fell off the podium yet this year. So I think If we can stay on the podium for the rest of the year keep qualifying well, like we have. We should have it but it’s just like one race can ruin the whole thing, especially since the season so short this year. Yeah, I agree with that. So with the triple headers, like, on Friday, I was kind of thinking like don’t want to push it too hard. Got to see the car for Sunday still, but once you’re in the car on Sunday, you’re still going all out?

Yeah, that’s true, right? Like you just want to make sure that you win every single race when you get in there. It’s like that racer attitude.

Yeah, it’s like you always plan on saving the car but once you get in there you just start driving

go downhill so fast too with like you said three back to back. Well, that’s kind of what I was wondering like, how do you manage that right it sounds like he’s doing it pretty simply. But I know a bunch of guys that went balls to the wall like on Friday, not miles, but other guys and they like total blowouts. Right, but they salvage their weekend, but it made it so they couldn’t win the wrestle weekend. You know what I mean? The great thing Couldn’t get up on the podium. They could just drive around basically. Yeah, you just it seems like the play is to just be consistent, but that just like miles just said, it’s so hard to get in the car. It’s a different story, especially when you have somebody that you’ve been battling with. Yours. Exactly. Look what I can do that oh, yeah, that’s what you need to do. You need to get it right in front of you either. Yeah, exactly. Have you guys been doing any different prep and stuff like that to make sure that you guys are executing on these triple headers?

Um, my crew guy, Tim, he’s the best in the business. I think so. It’s honestly like very rare that mechanical probably happens. So it’s really just as long as it’s like, not a tire going down and just breaking something little like that. More like something I would do while driving the car.

Yeah, so it’s on you then.

Yeah, so I’m honestly like, never really worried about the prep on it.

Yeah, that’s super cool, man. I got

I got a lot of trust in Tim. So How

was it driving over to Wheatland this year?

Good no blowouts so

there and back No problem. Did you guys have any tacos when you’re up there would you cook

What do we do? I think we had some carnea soda and some employee Oh on Saturday night

yeah do some stretch it Friday night

I mean I think just like for lunches just like burgers and broad super simple stuff.

Yeah. I know right? They better and we’re here at the track No kidding. It sounds like you guys had a pretty dialed Hey, I was gonna ask you have you guys been doing any minimoto lately?

Nothing yet just because it’s been so hot by my house.

Yeah, I feel you on that man. Arizona has been a pretty much a scorcher these like well, these last couple days it’s been in the 80s so we’ve been able to get out ride our bikes and stuff.

Yeah, and like the rain helped us in the winter but in the all the weeds grow so bad. So we got to get up there and shop trees down some bushes moving out of the way

yeah for sure. Hey did you go to that a leverage and boys are leveraging boys race that where they had like a whole bunch of anybody guys I saw it on social media and like for our audience that doesn’t know they race side by sides as well but they had a massive massive side by side. I don’t know event armena minibike event. It was bad ass dude. Nice.

Oh yeah, that scene looks so cool. I’m still bummed I didn’t get to go but next time they go I’m for sure bringing my 140 out there,

dude. Yeah, I’m right there with you. It looks like it’d be so much fun to go out there people were wanting it everywhere.

Oh, really huge to so many people showed up. Did they say how many people actually went there?

Was that so you broke up? Did they

say how many people actually went there?

Um, I haven’t asked him yet.

do look like a few hundred like 150 200 Oh yeah, for sure.

Can you imagine that? Yeah All on minibikes. Yeah, I wonder what did one like if it was a kale x one Tanner was CRF 110 because that’s gonna make me want to get a bike whichever one it is. Yeah. Looks like we got a couple comments coming in huh? Yeah Mac yes Mad Magazine is old school. We are old back. I don’t know what that actually means Mad Magazine that’s where spy versus spy but that was that sort of reference? Yeah. So uh miles what was the track like and Wheatland because I went there in 2017. And so it’s obviously wasn’t didn’t raise last year but it still looked like it had some huge centers on it.

Oh yeah, the truck was perfect all weekend. I really liked that truck. It’s more moto style. I guess you got some high speed corners and the jumps are a little bit more peaky. So that one tunnel jumps pretty fun. Just a little floater up and over. Then a little 90 into the rhythm.

Yeah, you got to go on the freakin pedal though to get over that rhythm because you Double through it, or do you have to pound through it?

Oh, no, we just bounce off the front of the faces of them.

Yeah, so this Casey this was like it’s a it’s a pretty like tight left hander into this rhythm section. So it’d be like, like a really short approach to a loop section in Supercross, where you have to just like, get as much speed out of the corner as possible, like scrub all your entry speed to get all your exit speed. So this just try to maintain. Yeah, there was there’s a lot of people that lose it in those sections, though, because once you get like a four wheel vehicles, always on those bombs, like yeah, it’ll like an RC car. Yeah, just like flip over. Right? Right. Um,

was it tough to you’ve got to hit that thing square. Like as soon as you come off that thing like siloed a little bit, then just the rest of the rhythm. You’d be swapped out.

Yeah, exactly. How was that? In Wheatland? They have that big. I don’t know what you want to call it the second turn. But that’s like a big Talladega bowl turn. I know it was super slick. But could you guys get a lot of speed from that because after that, there’s a long straightaway And then like I don’t know 120 foot or 100 foot tabletop because you guys get a lot of speed and bust that jump

yeah we were just getting as low as we could go there’s a little bit of fresh dirt still below the the blue group he’s had to get like pretty close to the tires so we’re getting down in there and like Dell is able to hold us just enough around the bottom and I don’t think running the top really you carry too much speed I think you’re just wasting a little bit too much time going around the track

yeah that’s a good point and especially with the like the CVT is too cuz you’re already pretty much at max speed so I don’t know like maybe the Yamaha’s that you know shift from fourth to fifth or something you could get a little bit more but miles would already Yeah, they might be able to get a little bit more out of it. Could you guys do that next jump cuz that jump is massive.

I was like

yes, clipping like the little knuckle on on it.

That’s scary, though. But

yeah, every once in a while. And get a little sideways but it was weird like, on Thursday practice I was making it no problem Friday. I couldn’t make it Saturday I could and Sunday I can. So

that is weird. I wonder if it was just because the track was stickier.

Yeah, in like the face of the lip was a little bit slicker on Friday. I remember too.

So we just kind of spin going up it a little bit. How are the actual races like, were you guys battlin? Or was it like a whole shot and get away? Like how was the competition and stuff?

Oh, on Friday, Brock was just on my back bumper, pretty much the entire race. So he was just pressuring and pressuring and pressuring me the whole time then after the constant I was able to get a five car leader so so I was able to stretch it out a little bit. And kind of relax on that last lap but then Saturday, he got out to the lead night tried pushing on him, but Finally got a little Mystique out of them with three corners left to go, but I was just a little bit too far back to really capitalize on it. Oh man, it How does

it? Uh, well, Casey, you can probably attest to this like, he’s been battling with them for 12 years right? So like, how do you deal with something like that on the tracks as you know, everybody’s so good like, you almost It feels like you just want to stay in line or a beat until one of them makes mistake but what’s the mind game that you would play? That’s how the like an RC world that’s what they’re doing in RC cars. Yep, definitely. Like if let’s say it’s in an hour long main event or something that’s a little different because you’re, you’re expecting mistakes, but it’s the same concept but when it’s that sprint, then yeah, then then those guys they’ve all raced each other for so long. So unless you know you’ve got something up your sleeve like a same thing in Moto, right you know, you’ve got a section that the guy in front of you doesn’t know about you. You wait to pull the trigger to the last second. Oh, Lana thing or like Myles was talking like just put a whole bunch of pressure and try to get him in. Mistake totally Where was the areas that you could try to push on to make a mistake like maybe in those like little tight sections and stuff miles or what’s the what’s the game plan when you go out there

um

I had a better run through turns 123 then once you on that back straightaway, he was able to get me a little bit. So my goal was to try to get him before that straightaway and try to keep him behind me. But couldn’t make it happen then finally going through the by all I was just waiting for anything really. But we’re going to the rollers in going to that corner you picked it up on two wheels a little bit. So I got just to the bottom of them, but but didn’t set me up for the outside in the next two hairpins or for the first part of it. So I just couldn’t get the run that he got on the bottom so I was going to get back to his door to block on the next corner.

That actually brings up a good point like moto dudes cuz like when I was when you were just talking right now I was thinking myself like okay, you just like set them up and take it inside line and go right? Well off road is way different because you have to do like two three corners and think way ahead it’s like chess instead of just like checkers and jump Right, right. That right yeah, you can’t just throw

my body on the car like a bike. Right? Right. Yeah just turn that thing off sharp but just doesn’t work like that.

Yeah, that’s makes it makes your whole we use that the Cooper Webb like your racecraft Yeah, he’s so awesome at that. So it makes it well then. So yeah, I feel like miles is like talking to the same game, right? Like, you know what you got your competition to do and how do you how do you know what you raise them for? 12 for Yeah, and how long were those lap? Were those lap times miles?

Were running 122 I think

so how frustrating is it that when you know you’ve got your section, and then you blow it and then you’re like, Damn, I have another minutes about it. To try to do it again. You know, like that’s, that’s what’s so crazy about what you were saying? With the with you know training your eyes and your brains and stuff like having mental toughness is not just like being tough and like you know I can mind over matter and you know pain whatever it’s not that it’s like it’s that thinking to like it’s so cool because you have to calculate all that right yeah that’s what I mean it’s so there’s so much It’s so crazy what goes on and erasers brain I guess put it that way okay so we can like make that go full circle then like with the stuff that I was talking about about training your brain and your eyes and your your vision with these techniques and therapies, man. Exactly. It’s bananas I’ll have to show them to you miles because they’re It’s crazy how much it actually works. Here I did a bunch of these I therapies and brain therapy stuff exercises this morning. And man like, the whole rest of the day, it felt like my head was like, You know when you have like a broken arm or broken leg and you like muscles hurt when you’re building them back up. That’s what my head felt like.

Okay,

so it’s, it’s crazy how much these therapies actually like train your brain to like work. faster and work better. It’s like it’s bananas. And I know exactly what a lot of these top athletes are doing, like I guarantee Ken Roxon when he came back, like when doing all that Red Bull stuff. I guarantee he was going through a lot of these same therapies, I’m sure because he wasn’t riding his bike, right? And if your body’s full of right, you have sensors that are making things work, like that’s your input to your machine. Yep. And if any one of those is down, well, then you need to make the other ones better. I mean, it’s actually really simple. But it’s, it’s something that we overlook. I think so. I think so too. Yeah. And that’s what I think the old mental, like that’s why I was so intrigued by what Myles was saying is he’s thinking three quarters ahead, and he’s got all these different things going on. Right? Well now, why don’t you just finish that off by making your brain work a little bit better and quicker. So maybe, and I’m not saying that miles could have done this, but maybe in that instance, that he got on the bike and he could have pulled under. Maybe if he had a little bit like a split second reaction quicker. He could have actually darted underneath a little bit faster, right. So who knows if it would work, man. I just Just think it’s such a crazy thing to think about pretty awesome really well dude I’m so stoked for you that you did so well at Wheatland man you made the trip worth it

oh yeah for sure Thank you

what’s uh what’s the next step that you guys have going on? Are you going to be going on a trail riser enjoying any of the weather before you go out to these last two Lucas rounds

Yeah, I’m gonna try to hit the river next weekend to you not gonna decrease in this year unfortunately. But just that Lucas race after he was coming up pretty close and I’ve been focused on the championship this year. Just don’t want a little thing to happen carryover to to us to Arizona. So just try to keep the car fresh and

go over there and keep chipping away at that point clean.

Yeah, I like that mindset too. Because you’re thinking ahead. Billy Nichols comments and Anderson miles game plan is to pretty much kill it all the time. Pretty much it and he’s not trying to win it in the first turn Mac Oh, Is that when I say yeah, yeah. Well I think in rules, I think well I still think that there’s a lot of value getting like to win it in the first turn and side by sides, but like you got to think a little bit more like racecraft like Myles was thinking to like, Don’t blow it in the first Yeah, exactly. Try to win it to the first turn because Yep, otherwise if you’re, it sounded like Myles was saying, like, if you’re just on his back bumper, the whole race is gonna be really, really difficult to pass unless they make a mistake. Right?

Right. You feel like getting like a good start now is like becoming like pretty crucial and the side by side class like that a little bit where like, you can be easy and just like, stay in the spot you started pretty much but especially racing is Bronk. Like he takes off three or four guys in the weather time. We’re in the second corner, and we’re starting to six so like he’s he’s pushed me really to start getting back on it off the start. So as much as I want to conserve on it, if something’s open, I just have to take it now.

Right Dude, it’s like full Supercross and motocross now like whoever yells shots wins. kind of thing. Yeah, but they’re masters of their craft. So it’s not like that whole comment that we always racers I’ve always said it’s more about like, Don’t be stupid in the first Yeah, don’t lose it Yeah. To miles is point you’re making those decisions quickly. Because you because you know your skill level it’s not like just go and don’t lift and let someone else stop you you know what I mean? Like use the next car for the burn that’s that’s not what we’re talking about it’s yeah get off the line quickly like you said and look for that split second if something opens up Yeah,

take it but agreed. Never try to push someone out of the lane. Right,

right. Exactly. I just think the side by side racing is getting so intense like anytime anybody leaves or has to accelerate side by side. They’re gonna be so awesome at driving. You totally. Alright man. Hey, we gotta we gotta hit the roads. We got Ryan Edwards of KMC wheels calling in but Dude, I’m so stoked on I’m gonna see you guys at wild horse when you guys come out so we’ll hang out.

Oh, you got it, man. Thanks for having me on guys. It’s always a pleasure. You Yeah,

we’re stoked, man. Same here much for coming on and joining us have an awesome rest of your week. And please tell the family we said, Hello.

You got it, guys. Thank you later.

That’s so cool to hear that, like it gets me excited to talk about that race craft stuff. Because it’s so interesting to me to see like the mindset of each individual racer, right, like, Don’t you wish you could have known what there was when you’re racing? For sure. So we didn’t get to talk with miles about a little that little secret project that we have, but he’s gonna probably give us some tips and tricks. So we’ll talk about it a little bit next week when we have a little bit more time. It’s going to be a really, really fun project. Man, I wish I could talk about it a little bit more, but I want to release a video maybe tomorrow or I don’t know Thursday, and we’ll have a little bit of fun with it. So please pay attention to it. Guys. I’m sorry. I can’t talk about it right now. But it’s gonna be a super, super fun project for all of all of you guys. Man to think we should ask Ryan when he comes On the difference, and compared to the short course racing like Myles is talking to what he just did a night race. Mm hmm. In the desert. Like how much different that is? Because that’s, you definitely don’t want it in the first turn. Yeah, right. Sure. So what’s the what’s the mindset behind that compared to like a short course race? Right? And I wonder like, when you see, like, stuff coming up, like your peripheral vision and different things like that, they come up, and trees are passing by you and stuff if the vision stuff would help with that. I would, I would think so. Yeah, I do too. Have to, uh, Ryan Edwards. What’s up, man? How are you?

Good. How are you guys? Man?

Yeah, we’ve been doing pretty good. Man. Casey’s been hitting up some dualsport right. So he’s been making me jealous. That’s for sure.

damn lucky.

No, right. Uh, you still got those four back.

Yo, yes. He’s sitting there ready for the ready for it to cool down and get off.

Yeah, man. That’d be super cool. I can’t wait. We all have dual sports, we can go read together. Is that like an old man thing? Like, for sure.

I’m into it nowadays.

Yeah. I’ve been hearing a bunch of dudes that are super into it too. And like, the social media stuff that I’ve been seeing, like what these are, they’re dual sports like and these little projects they have I kind of feel like it’s gained a little bit of

popularity. Yeah, it’s definitely it’s definitely changed from an old man sport to like, a mid age. You know, changing from motocross to dual sport,

right. Alright, thanks. At least we’re in the transitionary period. We’re not all the way. Yeah, old and it definitely works old and older.

Well, hey, we appreciate you calling in for sure. Um, so how did how did this stuff come about? Like we we let our audience know a little bit about what you were doing. So you you built a Polaris turbo. I don’t know exactly which car it is. You can expand on that but and you’re going and doing some racing now, huh?

Yeah, yeah. No, luckily, you know When my whole marketing plan that came see is to get back to racing and you can’t can’t solidify that without an actual race car. So my boss let me take one of the turbo SS we had turned it into a, you know, a stock UTV to go race and it’s just been a passion of mine to you know, brand the the company or the brand towards racing and using that car for it has been a major part of it.

Yeah, that’s super cool. And, well, I already know this, but Casey might not actually know this and maybe some of our audience doesn’t know it. But so the reason that I actually or the way that I actually met Ryan was he actually got a Yamaha waxie and started building it out like when the wagons first came out, so we have some communication online and stuff with when that stuff happened, but he was always a brand manager for a wheel company. And now he switched to KMC obviously, but uh, it was super cool to see because he’s always been into racing right and you So he’s he’s done it a bunch. And now he’s able to do that with the company that he’s operating games or, you know, brand manager for KMC. Right. So it’s super, super cool to see all those things come, I don’t know, like into, like, funnel down into being like all one thing. It’s like, I can’t see like, How awesome would it be to have a job that all that stuff funnels into one piece like, pretty cool. Definitely. It’s it’s pretty rad to like work your whole career into around racing. And now like it comes full circle to where I am racing for the brand. And just to get the exposure, like I think the brand need. So having that whole. I mean, I’ve worked my whole life to just be a racer, and it wasn’t in the cards back when I was a teenager. But nowadays, it’s coming to where I can go race and get paid to do it. That’s super, super cool. How does he think people feel like so UTV is where the golf carts right now they’re gaining a lot of popularity. So, when you talk about like being a racer and so like relating to other people that you you sponsor like let’s just say Bryce Menzies. For instance, when you’re in a trophy truck, it’s a little different game, right? Like so. You’re the bat, you’re the badass on the on the field, especially when you have a four wheel drive, or all wheel drive trophy truck that just murders a desert. What What is it? Like, when you’re saying, you know, like going up to him and talking to him being like, Well, yeah, you know what I still you know, I’m out here in the desert doing it with you guys. Like, how does that relate?

Honestly, nowadays with how fast the cars are going, how much suspension travel there is. They’re just as stoked on it as they are getting into their trophy truck. I mean, I have a few friends and stuff that raise trophy trucks or classroom cards and they get so stoked to go out and take the cars out and then enter a small race because it’s no pressure. I mean, yeah, we all can go to a Polaris store and buy an actual by a belt and make it happen to where you know, with Their trophy truck parts they can’t keep running on so you know, buying a new transmission isn’t just at the local dealership so it makes it easy to fulfill that racing want without having to spend 20 3040 grand on just prepping the car.

Yeah, exactly. I think that’s so cool man. Especially like what Ryan’s yeah buy wheels for it. You can get all the same stuff that the factory driver use like same offsets like same tires. Everything is crazy. And nowadays, like Like I said, the car I’m racing. I mean, luckily IMG bolted on a bunch of the safety stuff they have. You know, there’s nothing fancy about the car I’m driving and it feels like you’re in a trophy truck out there. It just eats those lips alive. So it’s pretty cool to like see that where before. You know when people are building rhinos chopping them up and trying to build it into a trophy truck. Well, now we’re just trying to raise stock razors and go have fun, dude, I agree with that for 100% and like our, our project that we have coming up in the next few days. That we’re gonna start talking about definitely does that. So how was it like you just built like you had a stock razor and he just threw a bunch of bolt on stuff and then went out and raised.

Yeah, so we luckily to do the DP four series. I got to tell everyone out there like you guys got to get out there and try it if you’re in So Cal want to raise those guys are doing it right we just put on all the necessary safety stuff did the zebras front arms, we did full doors with net, you know a nice seat. I threw in the IMS auxiliary tank which adds like four gallons. Oh cool, but other than that, other than that it’s a stock Turbo S with low heavier spring rates so we can run it harder through the woods then man went racing and honestly, other than some power steering issues before the race even started. I had a flawless race and it was so much fun and So relieving to know that I can race a car, that kind of platform without having to spend 20 grand on just, you know, building a chassis or something.

That’s so cool, man. Well, and also you forgot to mention, I think you might know a guy that could have hooked up wheels and tires for that thing, too.

Yeah, yeah. Obviously the effects tires and kmz we’ll come in, come into play real quick.

That is so cool, though. Okay, so I got two questions, then First of all, I want to know, like, what the car’s capabilities were but maybe you could preface that question by telling us a little bit more about the DP four series because it sounds super cool.

Yeah, so I mean, honestly, that I’ve raced every kind of series there is from score to works to baesman desert to short course. I mean, I’ve never shown up to a race and felt like alright, these dudes are like, into it. And then once we got on the course you can have my co driver Kyle Melville. He even said like, I’ve never raised arrays where I didn’t even need to look at the G Yeah, wow, it was marked so well and it was 25 mile loop so and we were racing at night like I felt like we were racing a you know a dirt bike track like it was it was so perfectly laid out and they had people standing at the major turns like that’s what I suggest anyone that wants to get into desert racing needs to go race one of those because it’ll really open your mind up to how well you know these things can go

that is super cool. And plus the when you say that there’s that many people on course and stuff the safety means that it’s way way better out there too. Because you can have people out there Yeah.

Yeah, it was cool to see like, you know, you think a night race you’re gonna be like the only person out there well, you know, you get at some of these major road crossings or major you know, 90 degree turns. They have a flagger a guy with a flashlight or a cone just flagging you making a turn. So it was it was really refreshing and it it allowed you to focus on Rather than the navigation, dude, that is super cool and plus what you have experienced, but like, if it’s for a beginner like that would be insanely Yeah, that’d be huge. 100% Yeah, like I went into it thinking like shit, I don’t have a GPS, I don’t have this. And then, like, I kind of got there and I got the feeling that, like, yeah, we don’t give out GPS coordinates. And I quite like that doesn’t make sense. And then once I started racing, I’m like, Oh, this is why they don’t. It’s mark. So well,

that’s super cool, man. So they definitely do their homework. It’d be nice if the guys from the UTV World Championship. Martelli brothers did some of that stuff or maybe elevated their game up a little bit? Because they have the opportunity to do it now. So it’d be cool to see. Yeah,

no. And it’s the cool part is I didn’t have to go spend $700 on a GPS like, you know, when we go race Mexico, that’s GPS is life. But it was just nice to just show up and not worry about that kind of thing where we needed to pre rendering. everybody’s on the same playing field like it was super fun. It sounds super cool. The only

thing that I’ve ever done that was remotely close to that was there’s a series in Arizona called AZ Opie and it’s kind of like right Yeah, they do a an abbreviated desert course where it’s like what Ryan said like he’s 23 miles I think maybe this one was 20 or something. But you didn’t really have GPS and you did have you didn’t have as many people as what he’s talking about course. But that was super super cool because we drove like his car is like a rocket ship compared to ours. We drove literally a bone stock way agz Huh, cool. I remember we went out there. And not that this matters for Ryan but we went out there and my co driver was a Brian Lopez was my crew chief and he was the CO driver. He’s a big dude. We tipped it over in a berm like a dirt bike berm and we kind of high sided up on the berm and so he just jiggled around a little bit, moved his weight and we popped down back on two wheels. Perfect and

I definitely hear people say that the ad op rates is way similar to the DP for like it’s just arrive and and Get out there.

It’s super cool. I love those types of series man. And that’s why I want to get your opinion on the DP four stuff because we’ve been talking a lot about people can chime in at The Dirt Life Show like how do I get into racing? Or how do I get an entry level racecar like what do I got to do? So it’s made us really think about how to, you know, communicate with people and let them know and this is a

and I think, I think people definitely think the only way they can race is go to Best and desert or score and Race to the Top class. Like, honestly, I had more fun doing what I did Saturday night and racing. I mean, don’t get me wrong. I love racing in Mexico, but it was more just about racing. Saturday night rather than everything else going on around me.

Yeah, I guess that’s true. Like if we want to relate it in like a modal term like you go to your local track and you race against all your buddies. It’s way more fun. Yeah, having back pressure to go to a motocross national or something because that’s like 100% that’s like all business all day.

300 400 bucks to enter. You’re not stressed out, too. Get the two grand to go race in Mexico or something like that.

Yeah exactly. Well how did how did you guys race go? Maybe you could take us through it a little bit because it sounds like that car was pretty much as bolted on and go like you said

yeah no I went tested it on Tuesday in Barstow and it was run was car was running flawless. Went to load up Friday night and something happened to the power steering so it locked up. I’m like shit, I stressed all night about that. We tried fixing it Saturday morning and couldn’t get it fixed. So we pulled the fuse on the power steering and ran the whole race with no power steering. Oh, but yeah, my hands are killing me right now.

So what was just imagine arm pump like? Yeah, like so how was he like, are you just like Hulk Hogan holding that thing together what it was,

there was motocross arm pump times like 100 but luckily, luckily Kyle my co driver he had raised older cannamd back in The day with no power steering. So he had first hand knowledge of it, but he’s like, dude, You’re overthinking it, like don’t hold on too tight, let the steering wheel like kind of do its thing because at first I was fighting it and fighting it. And because there’s no there’s no dampening, you get all the feedback and the steering wheel and it was kind of funny because once the course actually got rough, and there was some ruts, I’m like, Oh shit, like you can actually turn it now because it was actually following the ruts instead of me trying to like fight it through the corner. It sounds kind of like one of those little electric track cars that you played with on you’re a little kid like hey, just go around with 100% Yeah, yeah, just get in the right and just let the four wheel drive do its thing or a Disneyland

when you were a little kid you swore you’re driving. So yeah, that that rail

is so funny, ya know, it was it was fun. I mean, we started 30th I think 13th in class, and we got second in class and 12th overall, so Car steering we actually had a good good race. Mm hmm

sounds like you were moving.

Yeah, I

man I felt good and my my lap times were consistent like i think i range 38 to 40 minutes on all five laps. Dude, that’s super cool. Do you have anything to track cuz like in short course we would use it’s called lip pro and it’s basically a GPS tracker so we could track our laps and the fast lines and stuff like that we can track them against other people. Do you guys use anything like that?

was so what we did which was cool. Since the Turbo S it was the dynamics edition with you. Yes, everything. We you know the first lap we just set it to mark and then we were able to follow that line and kind of like remember where our shortcut lines were and stuff like that because the later the night got man it that dust is SAT. So it was it was like a wallet does the whole track. So being able to mark our course and know where we were like that helped out a ton.

All right. So we You’re talking about like getting your, your brain and everything like to the next level to be a better racer, right? Well, that is another way to do it too like you, can’t you they don’t give GPS layout files. Well, you just mark on the first lap and now you got your own, huh? Yeah. So

how cool is that the tractor your own thing. Yeah.

That’s the nice part was remembering where that little little cheater line or that little quick line you know to cut a corner or some here and there and it just it gives you that that sense of Okay, I know where I’m going now and especially when you’re in the dust you can kind of just run it a little harder.

Yeah, that’s super cool. And plus those a Casey I don’t think you’ve ever reached out in the desert or anything like that. But those cheater lines that Ryan’s talking about are so awesome. Like for sure. That’s the CO driver comes in like Yep, again the GOP race that we did. I’m only done one of them. So I don’t have that much experience. But Brian Lopez was like, hey, go between that bush right there. We made this like secret line, no bumps, nothing and then we had like 10 an hour ago. Whoops section, right? That’s perfect.

That’s the best feeling in the world. When you when you know you’re coming up to a section that sucks, and then you’re like, shit. There’s this line about 20 feet from here that’s smooth as butter. Like, it’s the best feeling.

Yeah, it’s like going in Supercross and finding a whoop section and then knowing that the right side is like, way faster, and you just nail it, right? Yeah. Nobody else knows. It’s perfect. Yeah, exactly. Good, dude. So it sounds like that race just went pretty smoothly. What’s the next plan for you? Like, obviously, you got to fix the power steering, but you got to race again.

Ya know, the big plan was to get at World Championships. I kind of signed up for the DP four race just thinking I will go in at least shake the car down and then it turned into All right, we’re gonna go out and actually race it. So we did it. And then now Yeah, just get it prepped and get it wrapped and get it to the world championships and do it big there.

That’d be so cool, man. And yeah, I’m stoked that I’m going to be able to at least hang out with you guys need to be world champion. We’ll talk about it more this this week with our audience and our social media. So it’ll be cool to both have something to look forward to in the next month here.

No, yeah, Craig put our mind to it. And then yeah, when we show up to watch championships, we see a big pit party or something.

Dude, that’d be super cool. I’d like to see if we can get Casey out there to one of these years and see if he could come hang out with us. I know. He’s got a lot of work.

He just like sitting on the couch and talking about it, dude.

He’s doing it way more like he makes me feel like I’m a freakin whiskey because he’s been like he went out in 113. The other day did a road bike ride. He’s been doing dualsport

nevermind Casey wins.

I know he he’s making us like workaholics looks like sissies over here. But he he definitely hasn’t been in the side by side game as long as you have or myself but I’d like to see if we can get him out there. I wanted him to come over. Yeah, go ahead.

I think the world championships would be a perfect time to get them out there because it’s got everybody in the industry out there.

Yeah, exactly. And it’s in houses so you can just Come out for the day and then cruise back or whatever. Yeah, that’s cool. It’ll be very young. All right, homie. Well I really appreciate you giving us a buzz today and letting us know how how the race went. It was really cool to hear and all that stuff and seeing it on social media. So if if you guys are interested and want to check it out the car that Ryan built, you guys can look at it on. I think it’s Rhino, our y n Oh 134 on Instagram, and you can also look at the KMC UTV page. So it’s at KMC UTV and check it out, because the little setup that he’s got is super, super cool, man. I can’t wait to see that thing in person at the UTV world’s

not Thanks. Thanks, guys. And thanks for having me on. This was awesome, dude.

Always a pleasure, man. I really appreciate it. I’ll hit you up in the next couple days here. We can get our little secret project going and we can share it with our audience.

Sounds good, man. Talk to you guys later. Right?

Dude, I always love talking to him because he’s got so much

he’s so amped, right like yeah, and Well, he’s a fan of Motorsports. Yeah. And he lives it. So like, that’s what I mean, for good reason. Right? Yeah. So it’s super cool. It’s super cool to talk with him and plus the things that he’s doing to help everybody else. How cool is it that he gets out himself now? Yeah. But he’s, you know what I mean? And given give himself a little bit of a taste of what everybody else is going through. And he’s completely right when he says, to put himself on in the same group, or on the same level as all the other racers that he supports, because he’s been doing his whole life, right. But now he can do it with them. Mm hmm. So right. It’s It’s really cool. All right. So we have a really a really, really fun story that we’re going to talk about in a little bit here. Dustin Nelson is our featured guest tonight. He’s a awesome, awesome racer. He’s pretty much live Motorsports his whole life and he still lives it on a daily basis. So we can’t wait to talk with him. We’re gonna have him just a little bit here. We’re gonna go to commercial break and we’ll be right back with us and Nelson.

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Finally we got Lance from solder weld in the studio. Thanks for coming down, but why don’t we record a commercial now. Yeah, why not so good to be here man. It’s been a lot of trying to get down here for ever and I wanted to talk about the off road kit, dude, I love those things. I got it in my pack. Yeah, we’re running hundreds of vehicles now running them whether it’s a UTV or some guys got in a backpack and was motocross he’s got everything he needs to make a fix right there on the fly out on the trail, or in the desert, whatever it is, well, since I’ve already used one I kind of know what to use it for, but explain what it does. Alright, so let’s pull one out real quick. You’ve got your aluminum rods remember their rods, right so you know light torch, small torch, you can throw it in there or throw it on the rig with your flux. It decontaminates and cleans like a let’s say a radiator you get a random rock chip runs through as you’re racing. You get a rock chip and radiator you got to fix it right there. You’re out of the race so you can patch it up and patch it up. I’m good to go. Yep, just like welding. Yeah, also as well with that you’ve got a brake line fix. So with your flux, you can fix a brake line stainless steel and then your hot block heat absorption putty so yes you from getting burned number one as well as keeps the heat from traveling. So it’s really, really not used. It’s not even to fix anything. So it’s that stuff works so good man. Listen, it’s easy. It’s it straps in nicely so that you have everything you need in one little place. And you don’t have to carry a big bag and it’s like a first aid kit for your vehicle. Yeah, Chase trucks have it as well so that, you know, if they need to make a fix on the fly, they can get it done and get it done quick and get you back in the race. do those things are so cool. All right. So it was at solder weld on Instagram, Facebook and sowell.com. Awesome. Alright. Thanks, bud. Appreciate it.

Yeah, welcome back to Episode 54 of The Dirt Life Show. We are stoked to have you guys here tonight. We can’t wait to see what kind of interaction we get with our featured guest. Dustin Nelson. Dustin is a very accomplished racer. He’s a side by side racing champion. He’s a quad racing champion. He’s won a lot of amateur stuff on motorcross he reach a professional level as well. He’s even done some off road truck stuff like a pro light. And he’s been a test rider for Yamaha for a very long time, as well as doing now some, they call it covert camera stuff. So it’s basically like the guys operate the cameras on, you know, electric bikes or whatever it is to follow stunt driving and stuff like that in the movie. So it’s pretty awesome to see what Motorsports has provided for Dustin and his life and his career. So welcome Dustin Nelson to the show.

What’s up, guys?

Yeah, man, we’re stoked to have you on dude, it. It’s awesome to see like, because we talk about all the time, you know, Casey and I grew up riding dirt bikes together, but it’s rare to see that we’ve actually been on the track or at the same track as one of our guests. And you’ve done that with some of the early motocross stuff that we’ve done at Verona Oaks. Mm hmm.

Yeah, I mean, if you’ve raised anything dirt anywhere in your life, probably raised against you at some point. That’s pretty cool. But yeah, if you guys put time into Verona then then I was there. I mean, you know, I was my hometrack growing up and start racing there when I was six years old on dirt bikes. And, you know, really, it was just it was a home base until I was like, you know, 17 and Pro. I was still go there on weekends. I wasn’t racing just for the practice days, you know, just because it was a good track. And it was close by but yeah, I’ve spent quite a few laps of Verona for sure. That’s super

cool. And you’re doing a side hack.

Spy hack did know, okay. I don’t know that we’re ever gonna find anybody that but Barona definitely has had a following of that of the frickin they had a side hack race that I think they’ve had a like multiples. Really, I’m not

I’m not like a side hack specific race but back in the day is like I think if you showed up with like a monster truck

okay. Let’s create a directory class for you. That’s a good

few side hacks that we’re following the Golden State around and yeah, do you remember? Ever? Oh no. Yep. You know, like five or six quads, a three side hacks and then you know, 500 dirt bikes?

Yeah, totally that makes That’s funny. Maybe it was for contingency. Did I love reminiscing about this memory lane stuff? You know, one thing that I remember about all this stuff is Casey’s always had a good relationship with his dad taught us a whole bunch of stuff with riding but Dustin Nelson. He calls his dad pops, but his dad went every single race with my dad. I remember the whole dirt life. It started young with all of us. Mm hmm.

Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, pops is what? Yeah, obviously he got me into riding and racing. He was a you know, just a motorcycle enthusiast growing up and race a little bit and he’s like late teens, and he broke his neck. He was intermediate and broke his neck and You know, not bad enough to be severely injured but bad enough to make him be like, oh, maybe maybe I’m not gonna like keep doing this you know hardcore So, um, but I was lucky man my family was just desert enthusiasts when I grew up. I had my first Honda ATC 70 at two years old. I got my first pw 50 when I was six years old, VW and you know, it’s just actually for me it was a crazy circumstance that got me into racing motocross site. When I was six years old, my family was at the desert and just kind of a freak deal but we were burning track before we left the desert and my dad went to pour some like lighter fluid on the on the fire and it followed up to the cannon like blew the cannon out of his hand. Well, the fireball hit me in the face. I was six years old, I took it off. And I had like second and third degree burns all over my face in the backs of my hands. So doctor’s orders. We’re I couldn’t go in direct sunlight for a year. But I love riding my dirt bike and so lucky for me brona Oaks, you guys were there was, you know, the whole period was covered in these oak trees yeah so um my dad started taking me you know after a few months of recovery obviously started taking me to brown oaks and that’s how I started racing dirt bikes. I mean, before that we were just desert enthusiasts but uh I got my start in Verona was covered in oak trees all my you know, there’s my mom has some old pictures of me around the pit area with like a bandana covering everything but my eyes and a cowboy hat covering my head so no son can get on me.

Yeah, we’re

gonna get you racing was there. Yeah. How cool is that? He was prescribed racing therapy. Pretty much right? That’s so awesome.

You know, you guys know racing. It’s like a sickness. So once I started, I couldn’t get it out of my system. And that’s for sure. Yeah, here I am now I’m 42 and still trying to do it whenever I can

do that’s such a cool story, man. It’s so we’ve known each other all of us have known each other a bar about each other for a long, long time, and I never ever knew that.

Yeah, you got to dig deep for that one. That’s, yeah, that’s the thing about racing our whole lives. There’s so many stories that pop up here and there and then, you know, like, you can’t ever tell them all right, like you’d be there forever. So it’s, it’s funny how random ones pop up here and there but yeah, that’s how that’s how I got started on dirt bike racing and motocross It was crazy, you know, six year old kid with a bird face.

That’s really cool that he brings that up those because that’s exactly what we started the show is to understand and get some more of the backstories like behind people like we always say like, you really think you know somebody by looking at them on social media or seeing them at the track or as a racer, right, but do you really know him know like, he can get a lot more backstory by actually just sitting down and having a conversation with them. Yeah. Yep, it’s super cool. So we were super young when that happened, like, how did you feel like you get out of the track and you’re just like, wow, this is like a playground, the bigger playground than I could ever imagine.

Yeah, you know, like, I’m, all I can remember is just being immediately super competitive. You know, like I had, I wanted to when I was like, I was known as a kid that just held her wide and went for it all the time, you know, crush my brains out here and there, but you know, right away as like, I was super competitive. I had tried a little league, and, you know, team sports when you’re seven and eight years old. I just wasn’t into it. Like, I was like, dude, I’m trying my butt off. And, you know, our third basements, you know, playing in the dirt. So when I wanted to win, and I, I immediately liked racing, because I was like, well, this is just me. You know, I’m the one putting in the effort. I mean, it probably took me a long time to realize that a lot of it was like Pop’s working on the bikes and making sure we were prepared going and and footing the bill. But uh, you know, like as a kid, I was like, Well, if I try hard then then I got a good chance of winning. I don’t have to depend on eight other kids to pull me through, you know. So right. That’s why racing stuck so hard with me.

So Casey mentioned that on a constant basis on the show is that racing really does develop that way. Right, like and but you’re a good spokesman for Motorsports and stuff now, because I’ve never ever, ever seen you take a trophy or a podium interview without thanking everybody and understanding all the work that they put in. But I think Dustin’s right though, right? Like he, it starts as a mentality where you’re like, Yes, all of the responsibility is on me. And you really grow with that. You take it and you really cultivate it, and then you become a good racer with it. Right, right. Right.

Yeah, I think that’s, I mean, that’s some eyeballs. Like, you know, it’s at the end of the day, lies, whether it was right racing dirt bikes or claws or, you know, being behind the wheel of the car, you know, like, um, you know, we would go through, say, Lucas race and, and Elizabeth in my ear the whole time talking me through everything. But, you know, if I made a bad mistake or a bad decision, in the end, she could tell me all she wants to but in the end, I have to make the final decision. Right. So I always kind of like that, that in the end, it’s on you, you know, like, I kind of like that pressure and, and, you know, that side of it where, Hey, man, if you want this you have to perform and if you make a mistake, it was your fault.

You know, how does that uh, because we always like to understanding this as a you know, talking to people that we interview and stuff, but how does that change the way that you look at? We’ll call it the grown up life right? So you go and get a job or you you have these, you have these different things where you have have to work with teams, but you’re still the the driven individual that you are. So maybe you could take us through some of like, maybe you know, the covert situation where you’re operating a camera and you have to work with a team to be able to execute but the you know, the responsibility still lies on you or maybe a test writer situation that you go through the Yamaha

Yeah, I mean, I think the the racing mentality has stuck with me, I have never, I have had the regular jobs through my life, but not for offer, like a lifelong deal. You know, I’ve kind of needed to make some extra money while I was racing, and then you know, that working hard and working a regular job kind of moved me to the next level to where I could be like, Okay, I’m making enough from racing now that I don’t need that anymore. So, it’s, you know, that mentality has motivated me enough to where I’ve never really wanted that, quote unquote, regular job. But you’re still in a team atmosphere at times. You Like, with what I do with Yamaha, obviously, I’m a test writer for them. I’m just an outside contractor. I’ve been testing dirt bikes for Yamaha for since 1999. So over 20 years now. And you know, when we’re out there, on Yeah, when I read the bike, it’s just me on the bike, but my job is to make that bike as good as I can possibly make it for production, you know, for the public, whoever’s going to buy the thing. And we have to work in a team of usually three plus riders to find the best settings that we that we can all agree on, or, you know, come to some sort of agreement that this is the best way to move forward. So there’s definitely that team environment. And then you know, you’re working with the engineers as well. And then on the other side of what I’m doing more these days with the covert camera vehicles, you know, then we’re on Commercial movie TV show sets. And you know, that’s a, that’s a big team effort. There’s so many people involved with, you know, cameraman and directors, stunt coordinators. You know, the other stunt people that you’re working with that might be driving the chase vehicles. So it’s a massive team effort. Um, but one thing that I really enjoy about it is it really reminds me of a race situation. You know, a lot of times we’re very specialty vehicles. We’re not used for every shot throughout a day. You know, they’re using us for a couple hours a day, but it’s like, you know, the most important maybe or the most expensive possibility, or possibly the time of the day. And so when it’s our time to perform, it’s like a race man the pressures on there’s 100 people around, you know, how much money you know, their time is worth On these on these sets, so it’s just like, Hey, man, you got to go suck it up, go ride this motorcycle with a massive camera on it and put it in a scary situation if that’s what needs to be done. But do it in a safe, safe manner and make sure that they can get the shot they’re looking for. So

that’s pretty cool, though to understand that. So like, two things that I got from him what he’s saying that like, he can turn on laser focus, like no matter what, like super quick, right, right. So Dustin has an ability and I’ve seen it in the in the racing environment when we’re competing against each other is that he really does some awesome stuff with qualifying times. Like he was always able to really, really qualify. Super, super good. And the second thing that I understand it looks like we might have lost Dustin. I don’t know if you can do it. From there. Can you give them a call back real quick? Let me see that real quick. So the second thing that I actually understood from what he was saying was the whole team involved thing, right is like, when he’s out there, the end goal to win a race is to win a race, right? Like you go, and you just have a simple goal of just winning the race. But when he’s out there, and he’s doing these other things, to make it so that he can, I don’t know, succeed in a test render environment, it’s not for him. It’s not the selfish thing of winning a race for you. And standing on top of the podium, it’s to actually help the development of the bike and the actual vehicle that they’re working with and the masses. Exactly putting out a product. So everyone else, all right, totally. What are we looking at there to get dusted back on Wi Fi settings? Oh, so that’s something with no internet connection. Okay. Well, maybe you could I’ll fix that why you maybe talk a little bit more about the different end goals.

Yeah, I think when he’s

when he’s got that I mean, I don’t know, I don’t know all the ins and outs of that, but I can imagine they’re giving a platform that’s we’ll call it 90% developed or 95% developed. And doing that in some of the things that, you know, people I know that have, in different will say different industries, but same kind of thing with a vehicle, whether it be an RC car, bicycle or motorcycle.

After you get handed that

it’s not like you said, it’s not about like, well, I can go fast with this setting. This is the best, right? That might be the best for you. But when when you got four other people or whatever it is, and then plus the engineers and with the end goal in mind of the average user that changes everything in you know, in mice perspective. But

notice, but yeah, I think that’s a pretty humbling experience as well.

I just think it’s really cool to be able to understand that like when when Dustin was talking about you know having the end goal of of getting a bike test rode and driven for you know, countless hours but your end goal is to have it successful for the end user right? It’s pretty amazing to be able to see how he can shift his mindset like again I just talked about a little bit ago about Dustin is fantastic having laser focus like his qualifying was always blue it would blow my mind because I could never qualify the way that he does. I can’t turn it on like that I don’t have that in me. He can do that and if he’s dropped rating a covert camera for like he can do that right. He can be like read on there and then when you’re testing you shift right it’s a long right arm caught you know thing sure that you’re doing so it’s pretty cool that he has the ability to do both of those. It must be pretty exciting to actually put yourself in those different situations on doesn’t.

Yeah, I mean, man, I just enjoy like Riding, driving, you know, being competitive, I enjoyed the development process, you know, like, I don’t know, I’ve been lucky to spend so much time in the industry doing so many different things. Like, I really haven’t found much that I don’t like about it yet. So I like the challenge, you know, I’m working developing motorcycles, obviously, it’s, you know, they’re taking our input, they’re, they’re providing the parts in there, they’re requesting that we try certain parts or certain settings, and it all it is, is my job is to tell them if it’s positive or negative, and, and why, you know, and why is it giving a writer a positive or negative feeling? And then obviously, we try to, you know, take all these baby steps to keep building the best machine we can.

But it’s not just how you feel though, right? It’s how you think another person could feel as well, right?

Yeah, you know, that’s, that’s where you have to turn because as a racer, you’re setting everything up for You, right? Who cares about anyone else? It’s my car. It’s my bike. It’s it has to be what I want. Right? Um, so, yeah, when we’re testing, it’s different man, it’s, you have to like push all that aside, and there can be times on the track where I’m like, Oh, I want the bike to just do this little thing for me. But then you’re like, ah, but for everybody else for the people that are actually buying this thing it doesn’t need to be like that. It doesn’t need to be like extra stiff going into that corner it can be a little bit more supple and and have better comfort through these couple bumps you know, just to give somebody else a better feel that will make them enjoy themselves riding your bike for more, you know,

dude, I think that’s so cool. We had a comment just come in Tyrone Robinson said. Well, actually, there’s a really good one actually, what was your proudest moment, not as a writer or a driver?

Oh, my proudest moment. Not as a writer driver. I mean, past To be the first one with kids, you know, like the you know, I’m I’m a dad three times over I have a 16 year old daughter and two sons that are 1412. And yeah, man. I mean, there’s nothing better than becoming a dad. I’ve won a lot races. I’ve won some championships, and I’ve tested like, these prototypes that nobody’s ever seen. And there’s nothing better than me and dad.

That’s super cool, man. So for anybody that thinks that the grass is always greener, no, it’s better. Nothing gets better than being a dad. Right? So yeah, that’s super cool to hear though to like, and if your dad watches or is watching the show and or listens to it later, that’s got to be a pretty awesome thing for him to hear too, because it’s got to make him feel like he raised a good boy.

Yeah, yeah, lucky.

So, well, let’s get back to talking a little bit more about the motor sports stuff. So One of the things that I admire most about you is that you’ve always had this passion for Motorsports right? But it didn’t just like all of a sudden become like your it is all of a sudden fast driver or fast rider like you had to work your way up.

Yeah, well, um, I mean like you guys knew me back in the dirt bike days I poured my heart and soul into racing dirt bikes. So, you know, like I said, I started when I was six I turned pro when I was 17. I won Loretta is on my way up. One time, I was only I went to lowriders for years I won one time there. That’s the biggest amateur racer is on dirt bikes. So that was cool. And then when I turned pro, I always been like I said earlier, I was willing to hang it out all the time. And so I was extremely fast. And I want a lot but I also crashed pretty big. A lot. And so my first couple years as a pro I got I got hurt. I got hurt pretty bad. I I broke my right femur. I dislocated my right wrist. And I never got full grip strength or movement back in my rear in my right hand. So that definitely took me kind of off the trajectory that I was hoping to have, you know, on dirt bikes. I was hoping to be a top, you know, five guy in Supercross nationals. And, you know, the best I ever did was like, you know, maybe the top was top 10 and the 125 classes Supercross, but once I got on to 15, top 15 you know, and then in the outdoor nationals I was, I never broke into the top 10 I was like 12th and 13th a few times. So, it was just kind of dumb luck. You know, I’ve been I’ve started testing dirt bikes for Yamaha. And a couple years after that day, they hit me up and they were like, Hey, we have this quad coming that’s kind of geared toward motocross, you want to help us test it. And I was like, Well, for me, you know, I’m an outside contractor more days and More money. So Mike Yep, I’ll be there. And, you know, I started writing flaws. I wrote quads growing up at the desert, like, you know, my uncle’s had quads and stuff like that. So when it got dark, I’m parked my dirt bike and start riding my uncle’s quads around camp. And so I’ve ridden them, but never on a dirt never on a motocross track, and it was pretty eye opening first couple times. You know, jumps are all of a sudden really scary when you’re hitting with four wheels instead of two. Yeah. So, you know, on the quad side, I when I first raced the quad, I was at a high level, but I cheated. Like I had probably two years of riding quads without anybody knowing I was riding quads, like tracks when I’m testing the bike. So that was just, you know, kind of lucky, you know, as being a part of the testing program. But the decision to go quad racing instead of motorcycle racing. What Just based on, I’d been a professional dirt bike racer for 10 years at the time, quads were new and exciting. And I didn’t know where my, like, where my top level was, you know, on dirt bikes I’d already leveled out, I was never going to be what I had hoped to be as a younger guy. And it was like, dude, I can raise quads. It’s kind of new and exciting. I don’t know what our top level is, and I can be closer to home and it was looking like we’re gonna make about the same amount of money. And I was like, you know, I was married and supporting my first kid at the time. So I was like, that was important. And so I switched to quad racing. And I remember like, the first time I went to the track and was Glen Helen riding the quad on Thursday instead of a dirt bike and I had all these like pro guys that I raced with, like, What the hell are you doing? A bit, and I was like, I don’t I don’t care what anybody thinks a quad is. I’m passionate about racing man. I think I can be successful and extend my racing career. And so this is the direction I’m going.

Yeah, I definitely think that that’s super cool to hear that story. And a lot of people may not even have have ever heard that story. So I think it’s cool that you’re telling most of our audience and people that have known you for a long time, but one of the coolest parts about that is he didn’t want How do you say this? Like? The only way I know how to say it is it does shouldn’t sound derogatory, but he didn’t want the passion to die, right? Like all of us, dirt bike riders, every single one of us, no matter who you are, if you want to become a professional, there’s some point when you have a reality check. It’s like, Oh, fuck, I can’t go as fast as that dude. Like, there is people that are faster than me in my not in my local track. Right. Right. And to understand how passionate he is about Motorsports, no matter what happened, he just wanted to be at the track. Right, right. And that’s how we all are. Every single one of us. It doesn’t matter what it is. I got those same questions when I started racing side by sides. They’re like, dude, you used to be a professional dirt bike racer, you know, whatever level you make it to. And now you’re racing these dumb ass golf carts. Like what’s wrong with you? But that’s nothing is wrong with that. I just want to be at the track just like Dustin. Right. Exactly.

Yeah, yeah, I don’t think that the racing passion or fire ever goes away. You know, that’s like, you know, the old adage now you know that everybody says with age comes a cage. It’s like, it used to be said to make fun of people and now everybody’s like, well, hell yeah. Does like they’re all driving. Yeah. Well, for one thing because side by sides became like, cool. There’s they’re fast and fun. Now, you know, where it used to be like a rhino or something. And they’re like, make it funny, but, you know, because it was really like a golf cart. But nowadays, they’re legit. Like, you can go to motocross track and jump most of the jumps in, in a, you know, like z or a razor or whatever. Yeah, you know,

yeah, it’s funny that you say that too, because I remember Like me getting the side by side and like the first day I went out testing it. I was like, it was a player’s razor 900 and I was like thinking, Okay, this is gonna be cool and Casey actually can attest to this, but I took it out to the track, I wrote the vet track for a little bit. And for people that may not know like the vet track at any motocross facility is usually like a dumbed down version of motocross track, and I jumped all the jumps and I was like, Alright, this thing is like pretty sick. Yeah. And so I took it out on the actual motocross track, and the second lap I jumped all the jumps like a big table and all this stuff. And then every single flagger and all the big people that operate the track came out there. Don’t do it like so I can only imagine like, like what doesn’t felt to like when he’s hugging these massive jumps on wheels, like whether it be a quad or a side by side?

Yeah, it was. By the time I got to the side by sides, it was less scary because I figured out the whole the whole four wheel thing but yeah, that’s it was. It’s pretty Funny, like I talked to some of the guys that I started testing the Y, Z or the Y f z 450 width, back in the days, and we were all durbuy guys, you know, and, and we were like pro durbuy guys that would be winning local races or battling you know, at regional at the regional level at least to win everything. And we were like daring each other to do like these 30 foot doubles, you know, deathly afraid of these things. And then it was funny like, you know, I think four or five years into my, into my ATV racing career. I did this this huge jump at Glen Helen. It was like 120 foot like triple thing. I remember sending somebody did like a, you know, a picture with, like 100 frames, you know, going across it.

Oh, were you?

Yeah, so I remember sending that to some of the guys that I tested the quad with originally. I’m like Look guys, look what can happen if you just stuck with it like I was the truck with arms, you know. And I’m like, Look, we could have just happened if you just stuck with it, you know, you could graduate to doing this thing by now but it’s funny, like, once you get comfortable with four wheels and, and how they’re going to act when they leave the jobs and you don’t want to clawd how you can move your body around and in effect, it’s, you know, the attitude in the air and things like that. It’s amazing. How, you know much they’re not different than a dirt bike, you know, other than your, you need something four feet wide to go off of instead of six inches. So

we have a question that came another one from Tyrone Robinson. But before we ask that question, what Dustin is talking about is one of the things that I admired most like because when I got into side by side racing, like he was the guy that I wanted to be right like, we all like looked up to him dirt bike racing and now and when I got out on the track and I was able to fall like because the first thing I did when Dustin showed up. I got right behind him and follow him no matter what. Every single race. I tried to do it right. Like I always did that because I knew First of all, he was going to give it his all go go balls to the wall right away because he’s good at qualifying. Right? And then second, I always knew that no matter what happened, even if he was trying to show me the wrong line, I knew that he was going to do it. Right. Right, because no matter what happens, like he couldn’t get away from it. He was good at quadratic. He was good at dirt bike riding. So every single time I would follow him, I knew that no matter what happened, I was getting good information. Right? So it was always a really, really huge benefit for me to be able to follow him or do whatever he was doing. And I remember one time specifically, we’re out at Lake Elsinore, and I didn’t get like he drove away from me right away. And I didn’t get to see him for a little bit until we got a I think it was like the second portion of the race where you get the yellow flag and you go again, and I saw the line that he was making up all this time on me because I was in second. He was the first and I was like this This is exactly what I needed to learn. And I didn’t learn it all day and it was going into the first turn at Lake Elsinore, and it was this big sweeper turn. And I was cooking it in there as fast as I could think. And like sliding the car and breaking a little bit was like the best way to do it. Like I didn’t know any better. It wasn’t it was just letting off a little bit and keeping up your momentum. And he would shift I saw where he paused and he shifted into the next gear, and then you come out and it was like a good half a second, three quarters of a second. And then I was able to follow him the whole rest of the time. And then I ended up getting on the podium in second place that day. But then the next time that we went to Lake Elsinore, I was right there with him battling awesome. It was super cool. And it all came from what he was talking about. Being able to go from two wheels to four wheels now to four wheels with a cage and you got to be able to throw out the banana peels every now and again. Yeah, exactly.

I needed some sunscreen.

Yes,

yes. So but that’s the whole Motorsports thing. Right is like you Got to be able to play those games and then like we just talked with miles cheek a little bit ago about he’s been recent Brock Hager for 12 years now. So both of us kind of understand they’re like, what they’re going to do on track. Well, I didn’t have that. And you didn’t really have that in the side by side stuff. But we did have a little bit of it coming from the Motorsports backgrounds that we had.

Yeah, I mean, I’m just definitely like, forever thankful for just my racing experience, you know, whether it was two or four wheels, you know, before I got to side by side, by the time I started racing side by sides, and well, everybody there had more experienced than me, you know, everybody had been driving longer than I had some but that part of it wasn’t important, that specific vehicle, you know, it was what was important was my racing experience, you know, wine selection, just that racing IQ of how to set people up for a pass, right. You know, what lines to take in traffic, you know, just, you know, searching out that little bit of traction, like Turn one at Lake Elsinore, you know, to where you can keep your momentum instead of sliding the car sideways and taking a bunch of momentum out of it. You know, there’s, there’s so many little things that add up to, you know, making a good lab or being a good racer, and I’ve just had so much just pure racing experience. You know, like I said, I started racing when I was six years old, professional when I was 17. You know, so, it, you know, that helped me so much whether I was on a dirt bike a quad, or in a side by side, I could always fall back on all the racing experience, whether it was my first time in that vehicle or not. I had that to fall back on every time

did you realize that you were helping a lot of other people at the same time? Like, for instance, myself or anybody else?

Yeah, I did. But, um, to me, that’s always I’ve been totally cool with that. And like I I like that, because yeah, I’ve always believed that like, Racing’s the most fun like, what’s the most fun part of racing? It’s battle. Yeah, to go. Destroy everybody by 10 seconds. That’s cool. And it makes you look good for your sponsors. And it’s cool to get that first place trophy or the check, maybe. But I mean, I’ve never been more pumped up than when you just battle somebody like to death. And when you cross the finish line, obviously, it’s a little kicker across the finish line first, but if you cross the finish line second or third, when you’ve been battling five cars, your whole race, man, there’s nothing that gets me more amped than that. And so I always saw the like, helping people out and given tips here and there or just just being helping them by them being behind me the whole time. Like that was just gonna add to the competition. Yep. And in reality, all that’s gonna do is help the sport, make it more fun for me. And you know, hopefully grow the skills at the front of the pack. So everybody up there is driving not only fast, because there’s Guys, it can go really fast and side by sides, but they’re sketchy or they make big mistakes here and there but to have the skill set to like, do that lap after lap after lap and not run into everybody and you know, be able to control your car and try to put it in the right spots whether you’re being passed or you’re trying to pass.

Do you see the parallels to what he does? I was gonna say that you can say that. Yeah, so the parallel there I’m sure you realize it is that you have that same want and desire to take it back a notch for yourself and make the end product of what you’re testing. Good for the other person to or the the masses because it brings it to Yep. enjoyability for way more people.

Yeah, yeah, I’ve always been like, yeah, even in the star, one class out it at the Lucas races. I’ve been one of the top guys out there in that class for a long time. And that car. George, I don’t think you’ve had a chance to drive an SLR one. But that’s a hard car to drive. Yeah, you know, they’re driven by r1 motorcycle engines. They’re two wheel drive. They’re chain driven. It’s built on old Rhino geometry. So there are a handful there. They’re tough to drive. And I’ve always, you know, fielded tons of questions from new drivers and old drivers of that class about driving those cars. And came to a point where I just started writing all my suspension settings because well are did almost all of our shocks. So I just started writing all my settings on the roof of my car. Right above the driver’s door. I just had front low speed compression, high speed compression and rebound clicker settings all written down on the roof of my car and like people like Scott Webster and Matt land, they would just come over and look at my settings and go back and click around on their shocks. See if they could get things going a little better for them

to see that’s exactly what we love and that’s that’s exactly how I was an open book as well. Not that I was anywhere near your knowledge but when people would come and ask me about waxy stuff or you know, when I first started the player stuff, it was just really cool to have that camaraderie because no matter what happened I was the same way. Battle battle battle like it doesn’t matter what place you finish battle battle battle, but like Dustin said, it’s always better if you finish a little bit higher than right and the other person

is for sure. I mean, that’s, that’s why you’re there. Right?

Oh, so Tyrone’s question. What is this a case? I can’t see it. The what would you be doing if you weren’t? Yeah, yeah. What? What would you be doing if you were not into Motorsports? That’s all gonna be a load. Yeah, that’s gonna be hard.

Man, that’s so tough to answer. Um, I honestly I don’t I don’t know my whole life has been based around Motorsports. Um,

do you know how to make money Good food like can you make cookies? can we can we

store bought? You

know? I got that timing down pretty good. Right? Um, I have worked You know, I’ve worked in a in Dubuc racing development, dr. D exhausts. I worked in his machine shop for a long time or not for a long time I worked for him for four years. I was running his CNC tubing bender. So, you know, I guess I could work in some sort of machine shop or, or something like that. But the only thing led that led me to those skills was Motorsports so I honestly don’t know how to answer that.

I think he’s a fan of RC car racing. So I think he was probably looking for you to say maybe drive RC cars, but I agree. Well,

I have done a fair share of RC car racing in my life. When I was racing dirt bikes, especially anytime I was hurt, you know, you still had that racing bug. Yeah, so I would be at low Garcia tracks racing for the couple months that I was out of racing dirt bikes, so I have done a fair share. But uh, I definitely wouldn’t be good enough at RC racing to, like, make that a lifestyle.

I think there’s a lot of correlation to it, though, like, the development that you’re talking about, and the progression of the industries and all these things like, so some of the people that we have in our audience are followers of Casey’s or followers of mine, or followers of yours, or just lovers of Motorsports in general. And the same things that you have talked about, Casey’s done a lot of that same thing with RC cars, he’s helped develop them for the end user. He’s developed them in racing conditions, and had a lot of success with it too. So shoot, even on both of us have engineered parts and done stuff like what Dustin’s done mm hmm, definitely. It’s it’s pretty cool to see all that same dirt life leading in those same directions, right? Yeah. It’s funny how it’s woven into the fiber of your being right. Like he said, he can’t. And it’s funny that he, you know, he said, okay, he did some stuff and I’m sure he was really good at whatever that task was that he was doing for Dubuc. I’m sure he was the best at it. But it’s funny that he’s like, yeah, I’m not really into it, but I get it. So there has to be the racing is that even if you just get into whatever else like, you know, I took a different career path because I’ve had that realization that okay, I can’t do this and I’m broken and whatever and but you still take that into doing it the best you can. Yep. But on the side over here, you’re still like, man, I want to be here in that engine. And yeah, so I get it. We can’t ever get rid of it. Well, actually, that brings me to my next question for Dustin. Like, have you done any Yamaha stuff with dual sports because Casey and I are kind of like, venturing off of that those paths man.

On the dual sport side, yeah. Ah, dude, I’m, I’m really I haven’t been able to ride one yet, but I’m really keen to ride that train. Ride. 700

what is I don’t know what that is.

It’s basically like they’re touring by

with a 700 cc engine. So they’re um I don’t know like a like a street legal decarb bike basically.

Okay cool. That sounds like it might be kind of neat to like test out we’ve KC got a 450 x and then I’ve been thinking about either getting 450 l or KTM 500 x CF so is it kind of like one of those bikes so Yamaha

Yeah, it’s I would say it’s bigger. It’s more of like the full size touring bike like KTM has, like I think they call it a dupe, maybe they’re 798 or

more like an adventure bike like the bike. Yeah,

Honda’s got the Africa Twin or whatever, right? similar or is Yeah,

okay. Yes. Along those same lines, so they already have what they call a super t which is a 1200. But they just came out with a 700 which is more like, more moto style, you know, like, Yeah, but it’s still a full adventure bike.

That’s still pretty cool though man. Yeah, like I’ve been getting super into it it’s like seeing all these dudes doing like more adventure and dualsport rides and stuff. Like it kind of gets me on that same level like with the side by side trail riding and the dirt bike like so I’ve been super into it.

Yeah, you know, it’s funny as I get older, like, I still love to moto dirt bikes like it it’s tons of fun for me to go to a moto tracking and rip laps, but when we go out like, as a family, I have more fun doing like the really technical like rocky trails and stuff like that then then like ripping super fast anymore. It’s like, I don’t really care to go that fast. Dude.

I like the slower technical stuff.

Well, first I like that he’s saying that because like it means that maybe there’s a possibility that he does a ride with us like yeah, ride or something. Yep. But I’m still Got it I’m still gonna push back on him dude you were still fucking ripping at cahokia those other tracks when I saw you

yeah well I mean I can’t go slow

I don’t know it’s just like it’s like you said when I got a track in a car like it’s hard for me to like came it back like it you know I want to if I’m in something and I can go fast in it or on it then I want to you know um so yeah I’m still I’m still gonna go fast it’s not as fast as I used to be or you know anything like that but it’s, it’s still pretty good I mean I can go to local tracks and be one of the faster guys there still and i think

i think anybody with seeing you in a side by side like a Y or Z or even s r1. Like if you showed up this track, I think they would still be concerned that you are going to give them a run for their money for sure. We’ll see. It’s still pretty cool to see that though, man. Like that type of mentality like is a winning mentality right? Like it doesn’t matter whether he’s we just made fun of him but like doing knitting or whatever it is right and besties still gonna no matter what he’s gonna do it and that’s what I love so much about the dirt life, it always ends up being like that, right? Like, we’ve had so many people say, Yeah, I just started going to pw 50. right but all of a sudden is pw 50 turns into this mic racing like lifestyle dynasty. Yeah. Oh, funny. Well, I want to know, like, how did you end up like, cuz you went through all of these awesome motor sports things, right. But your favorite thing was obviously the birth of your children. How did you end up meeting Elizabeth?

So I actually met Elizabeth so my kids are from my first wife. I was married earlier in life and then divorced. And then I would say like two years after my divorce was racing, of course. Um, I was following the work series racing the ATV class and we were racing up in washougal. And just so happened. Yeah, it’s an awesome track racer, a bunch of times dirt bikes, quads, you know, nationals all that stuff back in the day. So um, yeah, just it was a it was a crazy weekend where like dirt bikes raised Friday and half a Saturday and quads race the second half of Saturday and Sunday and I just happened to be out on the track watching the dirt bike pros race. Um, you know, I had some some buddies out there racing and stuff and was out there watching and checking out the track and seeing where their lines were and just happened to up the hill for me saw two like, pretty good looking girls like hanging out and watching the race and yelling and screaming for a couple of the guys that I knew and size. started by kind of paying attention and I recognize Elizabeth I didn’t know what from I just kind of figured that because I recognize there she was like a dirt bike girl, you know? Um, but uh, it was funny because like, we kind of looked at each other but didn’t, didn’t say anything. And then that night, I had a Facebook friend request and message from her saying, Hey, what’s up? I saw you kicking me out at the track today. Yeah, it was. It was pretty funny. She had already flown home. She was done racing. She already flew home and was back in Lake Elsinore, whatever. But um, yeah, she’s like, I saw you checking me out, you know? If you want to, like hang out or talk when you get back home from the races hit me up. So like a week or two later, we ended up like, you know, kind of having a little date thing, just kind of hanging out at the beach and, you know, seeing where it went. And here we are like, I don’t know. 910 years later. We’re She’s married, we’re married. And she’s a stepmom and my three kids and, you know, she’s not racing anymore. But she, she was racing professionally on dirt bikes at the time. And she did that for a few more years. And then I don’t know if you remember, but when the lac z first came out, we had her in a white z for a couple.

Yeah. chazal weren’t one.

Yeah, she had an orange one the first year and a black one the second year. So um, yeah, we just had a lot of fun. She’s still, you know, an enthusiast for racing. She doesn’t really do it much anymore. But if you were at the Lucas races, you know, she was a big part of my program. She’s my spotter. And that was always her favorite. Her favorite thing was that she got to tell me what to do for like,

a day. That’s awesome. Yeah, Brian always said, My crew chief and my spotter. Brian always said that she did such a great job too. So she was like, Yeah, I was all Elizabeth up there. Super cool. We always got to hang out.

Yeah, see, I always heard about her getting in fights out there. So

Yeah, Brian said that he wasn’t ever gonna try to get in a fight with her. He’s gonna be nice.

Yeah, she’s all sweet and innocent when you see her in the pits, but I heard she’s pretty nasty up in the spotter.

Don’t mess with her. Well, that’s super cool, man. I love hearing those stories because those, those are the ones that really count. Right, like, you would have never met her had you not been into Motorsports your whole life. So that’s what really matters.

Yeah, for sure. And it just, you know, it just makes our whole life and our relationship super easy. You know, like, she gets it, we get each other like we’re both professional athletes for most of our lives and, and chased you know, the same dream and in sorts, you know, like, we were trying to do the same thing. Obviously, she was in the women’s side and I was in the men’s side, but you know, just striving for greatness and whatever, you know, sport you’re doing is is very similar, I think whether you’re male and female. So we both done the same things. It’s really easy. We get along really well. We like a lot of the same stuff and yeah it’s been great

yeah they’re like minded mentality has to help a lot of Tyrone again asked another question actually I think I actually know the answer to this would you ever do king of the hammers Didn’t you actually have an opportunity to do that?

Yeah, I I failed at it. I failed horribly at that race. Um, he was going to

go too fast. So actually, we had who told us about this last time there’s somebody who was telling us like King of the hammers is a battle of attrition, right like and Dustin has Dustin has the mindset and there’s no Battle of attrition battle it goes as fast as you can like no matter where I go

Yeah, I pray you don’t you don’t see me on many desert races. I grew up on motocross you know I’m for these like 30 minutes Sprint’s you know and and so does racing is tough for me. Actually, I can hammers I’ve done really well on the desert side of it. The first loop is mostly desert and I’ve been done very well on that side of it, but I’ve never been able to get a car to the finish line and that’s so frustrating because you you put so much time and effort into it. And you know like I actually remember talking about Elizabeth I remember arguing with her over the radio one time that King of the hammers because the time for us to finish had ended, you know, you’re not going to be scored anymore. But I was still on course like determined to finish the damn race. And and so we we came within radio, you know, distance of the pit and he came up to the radio and she’s like, where are you? everybody’s kind of here waiting on you. And I’m like, I’m trying to finish something. And yeah, we still we still couldn’t finish even though I was stubborn and out there trying to do it in the dark. But, um, you know, it’s just, that’s a tough race, man. I have tons of respect for the guys that finish it and do well in it. But it’s You come across some stuff out there that you’re like, are they fucking serious? Yes.

That’s behind. We had actually heard that from not just you from a couple other people as well. Well, actually, that brings me to another question not so king of the hammers asked, but do you have like a favorite? We’ll talk about the three different disciplines. A favorite moment that you had is kind of going on with Tyrone had before but a favorite moment in your dirt bike tenure, and then maybe a favorite moment in your four wheel tenure on an ATV and then about the side by side stuff.

dirt bikes. I want to read this as an amateur that was a big deal. Um, but then I also as a as a pro, I won fourstroke national championships. Yeah, yep. Which was a four stroke. The fourstroke nationals was I would say it was like a B level series when when four strokes weren’t the thing yet, right. I’m almost everybody. Yeah, like the 125 and 250 nationals, we’re still reading two strokes. And the four stroke nationals was a traveling series that was ama sanctioned. But it was like a B level professional series and

but that was blocks of what you see now.

Yep. Yeah, well, yeah now we would almost have to be like a two stroke nationals, right? Because we were like your guys riding strokes right and and everybody’s on four strokes so it’d have to be like the two stroke nationals but that was a great series. It was it was a it was ran regionally so there was a Western and an Eastern series. And but we traveled all over you know, we raised in so cow, we raced in Arizona speed world. Cottonwood, we raised up in Washington, we were I SWAT shugo, right race in Idaho and Utah. You know, we’re all over the place. So it was a it was a really cool series. And so winning that championship was probably the biggest thing because I was professional. I was You know, working hard and, and doing the right things to be able to pull that off

and then move into four wheels man.

Well, before you before you get into this, do you remember Mike? Yes. Mike Young was saying the same stuff to us. So we had Mike young on the show when we first started the show, maybe over a year ago, and he was kind of saying the same thing member. Yeah, definitely. It was. I mean, it was he might not think it was a legit thing, but it was a legit thing. I mean, I was still following it and was like, these dudes. It was it.

It was a big deal back for sure. For sure. I wanted 99. Um, my first year racing, it was in 1998, the first year of the yz 400. Right. Um, and my first year Mike, Mike young whooped my ass quite a few times. And he was writing some weird like matija things like crucifer observership. Verdun. Yep. Yeah, he was, you know, and he was still kicking my ass him and Lance smail. They were they were like rock

bottom. waters to yeah he was one of the guys to

yes but when Honda started it’s like came in on the Honda he was like the white brothers was like Honda support team there and he he had been a dad a few guys Paul Carpenter was really fast out there on he was Bud’s teammate for a long time

I remember that was like started like come to fruition right after I broke my back and I like remember seeing these guys and I was like wow there’s another series starting and then like I was like you know like so the same thing as like the side by side thing like oh they’re just golf carts or will these are just weird dirt bikes right right but then like when you see them in person how freakin fast they’re going yeah like these dudes were hauling the mail on a big motorcycle like killing it so i i don’t disagree with what Dustin’s saying like that was a special moment because that’s like a whole nother forefront building of a different industry. I thought it was so cool because it was like the old days of the factory or the works bike, right? It was kind of like, these were bikes that you’ll never see. So You were able to do that and you know race against them or be around it works was your bike

my bikes were stock like are really very production very very production anyways but like those those who suburbs in verta maddies ac Ks everything they were like handbill. That’s some guys that were I mean, they’re racing 30 $40,000 motorcycles it was, you know, like, not that you could ever sell them but right you put a price on how much it cost to build those things. It was crazy and I was racing. Uh, you know, I didn’t start until the good bikes started being made yz 400 right. Um, so I think like handling wise, we were miles ahead of them right away, but power wise, those guys were running like 576 20s like all kinds of crazy. There was no engine displacement rules. So right.

In case I can totally agree with what Dustin saying because I remember seeing Like those guys that look like they were just driving a Harley Davidson yeah pin because adds so much power. Yeah, but then like the more moto guys like Dustin had the better handling bikes that were like lightweight and they could throw it around. Do you remember that? Yep.

Yeah, it was it was a crazy time in like the, in the whole world of motocross You know, when the first yz 400 came out and started, everybody was like, holy shit, what is a Japanese and a four stroke? That’s weird, you know? And, you know, and then you know, fast forward what 10 years and like, that’s all there is easy. It is pretty crazy. That’s 22 years ago that that happened but you know 10 years after they made the first one it was it was that’s all there was on track

to it. It’s so crazy how like times like come full circle, right? Like does doesn’t just mention like now they’re resolved to strokey you know, like, Tyrone actually asked him another question. So first of all, thank you very much Tyrone for keeping the engagement going. We really appreciate it. Yeah, we love that he keeps asking questions. I’ll preface this by saying that Dustin is a very, very good man when it comes to being a test writer and a development person. So he might not answer your question. Are there any goodies in development that will change the game motos? quads or side by sides?

Yes. Yeah.

So perfect. Like I said, Does Dustin is, uh, is good at his job. And he’s very, very diplomatic when it comes to these types of questions. So I know that for It’s not that

I don’t want to tell you it’s just that I want to work again.

Yeah, exactly. He needs to keep a job. However, I don’t have any, you know, job that I need to keep as far as that stuff goes. And I will tell you for a fact that there is a lot of stuff in the side by side game coming out very, very soon, not just from Yamaha, but from different manufacturers that will change the game from side by side standpoint I don’t know very much in the quarter moto game, but there is some awesome awesome stuff so make sure that you pay attention to all the stuff that all the manufacturers are doing because it’s gonna be a fun time these next couple years I’ll tell you what Yamaha needs Well now that I’m writing a little more Jeremy and I were just talking about this Yamaha needs a 350 x Oh like a wr kind of thing because they have the WR but yet what I need like so now that it’s been a long time for me, I get on a 450 I’m like this thing is so fast and so heavy. A 250 is probably perfect and you’re like nope, yeah enough, but you’re you’re so rad in the act a little bit older x though the newer models and stuff. You still want that same power like the 450 l that I had, was still like, that’s why I’m thinking about the 500 KTM because it’s 50 pounds lighter than the 450 l but it has 50 more cc so what if a Japanese manufacturer says All right, we’ll finally throw our hat in the ring and it won’t be 600 pounds. I don’t know. That’s my that’s my feel. I think

So you want to bike that you can moto but you can also do a sport

yeah but he had he hasn’t quite gone on like a super long dual sport day yet so he’s still a moto guy that hasn’t gone like quite yet so so with like

i agree i don’t agree with the 350 displacement but i do is i need i do agree that Yamaha needs like a 450 street legal right which they don’t have they have the 253 legal and now they have a temporary 700 sheet legal but the 450 is missing in the middle right so i do i do that would be on my want list or wish list. Um, but if you know you guys are in Arizona, things are much easier to make legal.

Absolutely they are

fornia but um, you know, I would say that if you had a Yamaha like a new WR 450 or four 50 sX they Yamaha power tuner that you can adjust everything with your phone. Oh that’s crazy mellow the engine character out quite a bit with the power tuner and especially an FX still feels very motobike like I had one last year this time, and I was doing 80% of my writing on it at because I live 10 minutes from Verona still are right now. So when bronto is open on the weekends, I’d be out there kickstand ologists like thing lawyers it would

do that is super cool. Well, I’m stoked that all the Japanese manufacturers are actually getting into this dual sport. Yeah, cuz it’s gonna be like, the whole fourstroke development days. Like in five years, you know, there’s gonna be so much awesome dualsport stuff that we can do. You can have all the choices in the world. It’s because all US Gen x’s are getting old.

Were the medium guys. Dude. We’re not old guys with a medium deal. All right, you just

have to remember that like competition is what drives development. Right? Yeah. So, like, unfortunately, on the quad side of things, there’s not enough competition to drive development. You know, Yamaha really is the only current manufacturer of 450 Sport model quads. So it’s like, they’re not going to really develop that takes a lot of time money, right, invested to develop, you know, future products, when there’s no competition to do it against, you know, so I don’t see any development on that side. It would be awesome if the, if the dual sport market picks up to where the Japanese companies start getting more aggressive. Yeah, um, and then obviously, you know, the white market is more competitive right now then side by side market. So obviously, I’m sure you guys have seen lately it’ll the Yano has been dropping some hands. They got a big drop coming on the third of September. So two days from, what two days from now or two days from a month as well. I think

it’s up there.

Yeah, they got a big drop coming. So. So that’s definitely exciting. I definitely am eager to see what everybody thinks and you know what they’re going to do with what drops on Thursday. So exciting.

Those, those things are cool. And first of all, I like that Dustin is politically correct when he goes through all this stuff because it allows everybody else right. So Dustin always wants to win. So I guarantee you it’s at the tip of his tongue, right? Sure. He’s that team. He’s a team player now so he has to do it. So Tyrone, I think there’s a lot of value in in anybody being able to make sure that they’re out there developing and and doing the best that they can when they know that it’s going to be the best for the general public. Yeah, but I think I’m looking at a little different. I don’t think it’s his competitive nature that saying, I want to tell you, I feel like it’s his competitive nature saying, I can’t wait to see whatever this is. I can’t wait to see what you think. Have all the hard work that we put into it? Yeah, that’s true. That’s what I think he’s thinking.

Yeah, I was I was on lucky enough, I was able to do some photo and video stuff with the, with a couple of the new models. So as you know, they’ve been advertising the army. Right. So that that’s a, it’s different.

It’s gonna be cool. I think it’s gonna be pretty cool to see all that stuff. So actually, that leads us back to the questions that I had. And you you like, the more important question to me is like, what your favorite like thing is in side by side, like, what was your favorite moment in the side by side racing stuff, or maybe it wasn’t even racing, maybe it was in development?

Well, um, and that’s tough. Uh, the whole year of 2016 was pretty spectacular. Um, I you know, that was the first year of the Y, Z A and Yamaha I went into being a factory driver for Yamaha in a funny way. I was a factory rider for him on quads. And at the end of 2014, I won my six championship on quads. And the fact of the matter was the ATV scene was dying racing scene was kind of falling off on the west coast, and Yamaha internally, they knew they had the legacy coming. So they basically we had a meeting, you know, when we usually kind of go over what’s gonna be next year’s contract, and it was like, well, we don’t have anything for you to race until 16.

There’s another fire.

Right? But we want you to be our factory guy for the y z. So what should we do for 15 and I’m like, you want me to race quads again? And they’re like, Oh, no, I don’t think so. But we’re gonna we’re gonna keep you on contract to make sure that you you don’t go anywhere else. So yeah, that’s how the whole pro light thing came along was was I was I was under contract with Yamaha still. I had a friend that was my buddy Mark melotte that was was like, Hey, man, I found this truck. How about I buy the truck and you come up with all the money to go race it great. I’m like Oh man, I am going into it. I didn’t know how much money it costs to go race one of those for a year but it was crazy. It was a fun year it was cool and I didn’t get the results I wanted but that was the story kind of behind Yamaha was on the side of the truck is is they were paying me to like not do much so I was like God I gotta give him something you know, so on. So I put them on the side of the truck and we raised some pro life stuff but going into like my my best moment of side by side racing. I would honestly say my first year of the waxy like, I got one of the first cars there was immediately went to work with everybody that I knew that was going to be part of my program. And, and me just learning how to drive the thing to be the absolute best I could be. And in 16, we ran the whole California regional schedule the whole Arizona regional set schedule, and they ran us out the big shootout race for the for the big series.

But take a step back real quick too, because I remember one of the first things that I saw was you won the Lake Elsinore Grand Prix. Oh, yeah, it was. And it was almost in a bumper car like he had one of the guys that as our friend James Hill, built him a little you know, have a little bit of protection on there, but he went out and almost stock waxy and went to Lake Elsinore Grand Prix. Sweet.

The funniest thing is I stole it from James. James Yeah. dam is built in the cage and sponsored me with IMG And on the start of the race the first lap It was so greasy muddy, I got drilled and like spun out and put to the back of life at 20 car field and the whole race I’m just driving my nuts out like trying to come through the field trying to come just passing keeps seeing guys like way out ahead of me. And with my three laps to go I realize Dude, I’m in second nice and and I realize it’s James it’s way out in front. And, and like seriously, I think two laps to go hit like a wiring problem or something. And all of a sudden I see him parked off the side of the truck. Like I’m so sad for him but I was so pumped you know like it is a big deal given Yamaha their first ever winner like z. And the funny thing is I kind of got in trouble for that because I didn’t tell Yamaha that I was going to race it oops I supposed to just have that color. for development purposes at that point to try and like develop parts and get it ready for racing and 16. And this was like, November of 15. When I did that the car had just been announced. And I was like, well, there’s a race I’m gonna go race it. There’s nothing better than a race to see like how something’s really going to perform. Yeah. And find out all the little problems you have with a racecar and try to work towards fixing them. So I went there. And luckily, we won because I did get a call from one of the big dogs at Yamaha on Monday, and it was like, Hey, man, so yeah, you didn’t really tell us you’re gonna go race that thing.

But yeah, but we want

is like, Well, yeah, I guess so.

The corporate answer was, well, what if you didn’t? Yeah, exactly. Be glad you did. That you did win. Thank goodness.

we dodged that question.

So good. I remember being like super amped because Dustin did that and I was like, Okay, good. I made the right decision for my program at the time. And like I was like thinking okay cool like I didn’t care about anything except for you could shift it right yeah, it was awesome done that. But seeing that he did that I was like, all right now it’s on because I had seen him race in Sri one. And I thought to myself, fuck Yes, he’s got a y z now we’re all gonna be able to go battle like that’s all I cared

about. Sweet. Yeah, yeah, but that led up into 1616 was a good year, man. We won. So there we raise 22 races in total. I had 18 wins and four seconds. So it was just a killer year. Yeah. But yeah, won both championships plus the Challenge Cup at the end of the big series, and it was just it was cool, man like it couldn’t have gone any better,

you know, actually could have gone better because I wanted you to battle with us at that dragon fire night race that I actually want. So I wanted you to be out there so I could take it The top step with all you guys on the track.

Oh, yeah, see? You just want me there so you could beat me that wasn’t cool, right?

Dude, I never got beat you. Of course I did you want every single time I got on the course.

I’m sure you beat me in 17 I didn’t have a great year 17

but honestly man, I think that’s a good answer because you’re right 2016 was a fantastic year not only for Yamaha, but for you as a driver because I remember being out there on the course with you and like it was almost like you’re untouchable. Like you were the unicorn that everybody wanted to be right. So it was super, super cool that you answered like that, because I had so much motivation that year to just tag along with everything that you were doing because it was such a awesome year. Like I could see it in your eyes every time you got on course like man, this is it like this is what we’re doing. I’m going out there and I’m gonna do my best. It was cool.

You know, it’s funny too, is like my car that I raised now at the read animals would have just destroyed that car. You know, like, you were just learning You know, it was early on in the development phase and, and we were learning like and my my thing ever since two wheels was like this super like the you know the kiss method keep it simple stupid you know like don’t add all this crap to your bike or quad or side by side that you don’t need like everybody was adding all these little, you know, doodads and and things to the cars to try and step up their performance but man my 16 car was like I didn’t even run an airbox sock or a different intake for most of the year. It was just exhaust a flash and set up it was just driving driving and it works so good. The Fox guys tested with me at the beginning of the year and helped me get some really good settings and I just, I was so confident that maybe if other people had better cars than me at times, I just was so confident when I was driving that, you know, I felt like I could make up for any small differences.

You know, it’s funny that you say that because like 16 was super, like super simple keep it simple for me as well. And I think that’s why we didn’t like in 17 when all these like we had to go to the Pro Series and all these, you know, all these trick cars came and all this horsepower and stuff, dust and I both struggled because we were still like, kind of the stock guys. You know what I mean? Right? Like we didn’t have all this high horsepower and stuff. So here, it was a totally different game. But the best part about that whole learning experience was that it still evolved everything the side by side racing, the 1000 classes will evolve the turbo class started coming to fruition like all of it was based upon the groundwork that Dustin laid in 2016. So awesome to see that. Yep, for sure.

Yeah, that was that was a it was fun, and it was cool. And it’s just funny. Look back. You know, like, gosh, we It’s amazing that we won that much or did that well with with the car, you know, like because like I said the car that’s sitting in my garage now would like destroy that thing you know and and if I went to a national right now I probably like you know, I’d like to say I’d be battling for Windows but reality wise I’d probably be like, you know trying really hard to make sure I was in the top five every race yeah and that’s just just you know how it’s evolved there’s there’s everybody’s cars on the very edge of legal and and and the parts have gotten better through the years and and everybody’s learn how to drive them better you know like everybody’s learned how to set the cars up better and drive them better and I just think that the little bit of extra time that I had in the car plus just the confidence in my setup and how I was going to drive it made the difference for me right from the beginning. So

that’s a really good point to bring up though because what Dustin’s talking about is not only limitation from a driver standpoint, its limitation from a series standpoint. Right? So I just went to it was last 10 days ago I went to textbooks. Have you heard about this place?

Yeah,

yeah. So this place is like, it’s like the 2016 have side by side racing. But it’s at a different series like it’s, it’s like going to red mud in a side by side, dude. It’s insane. Cool. So honestly, if you took the car that you have sitting in your garage, you could very easily go win by 20 seconds at this place because it’s a driver’s course. And it’s so much moto like it is so like it would be the perfect place for you to go.

And then it’s in Texas.

Yeah, I’m not trying to pump the whole two days away. I’m not trying to pump the whole track like because I don’t have any vested interest in it or anything. I was Yeah, I was so amped on the go. Like when I saw what these dudes were doing. And how fun it looked. I was like, Dude, this would be a perfect place to like, have like an even playing field for any side by side racers.

Yeah, I’ve seen some of the Miller brothers videos, it looks like that some cool stuff out there.

Dude, you would be so amped if you went out there. The problem is, it’s in Texas, right? But the reason it’s in Texas because the facility would cost Amazon $10 billion money to be able to be in California, like there’s no right. There’s no way it’s ever gonna happen in California. But if, if for some reason you ever get a wild hair and go out there, you’ll have the time of your life, dude.

Sounds good.

Well, so we have a rapid fire q&a session, but I’d like to see if there’s any chance that we could get Elizabeth in to answer some of the questions with with you.

Isn’t it?

Oh, she doesn’t

want to come on or she does.

She’s fine. Okay, cool.

So first of all, thank you.

She’s still in her bathing suit from having a swim party or something.

No bathing suit, it just needs a shirt on.

So first of all, thank you very, very much for coming on and joining us like we really appreciate it. And obviously there’s so much more to your motor sports 10 year like all this stunt stuff that you’ve done and things like that, but we can’t. We can’t even go into the sole longevity of the of your Motorsports tenure in a couple hours that we have to talk with you. So one of these days. we’ll have you back on the show. Hi, Elizabeth. How’s it going? How’s it going? We’re doing awesome. We just thanking Dustin for coming on the show and you for you let him hang out with us. This whole time talking Motorsports stuff. It’s been pretty awesome.

Yeah, I was. I was listening in the other room. It’s cool. I’ve heard all the stories, but it’s cool to hear. Yeah. Talk about it.

It’s pretty neat to be able to have such a good platform to be able to talk all this Motorsports stuff. I’m stoked that the show is doing so well. But we have Have a rapid fire q&a session that we wanted to go through. So hopefully you guys can both answer these questions in a timely fashion rapid fire. So in case you want to start, I will I know the answer, but we’re going ready. Eye racing or real racing.

Real Racing, Real

Racing. Have you guys

pouring? Have you tried it?

Uh, no, it’s dumb. I have

a setup in the room right behind us.

So I won’t disagree with what Elizabeth said. Cuz when I tried it. I was all over the place. I suck so bad.

was horrible. Your questions should be what’s harder iracing or real racing? cases? I agree. Yeah. way harder than real racing.

I think so too. All right. So if you could hang out with any person for a day, who would it be?

Oh, gosh. Um, like, people we know are Like famous people,

it doesn’t even matter. You can pick wherever you want. And now that you said to people, you know, all your friends are gonna be mad at you.

Well, I wouldn’t hang out with Chad Reed.

Or Kevin Costner.

Are those your hall passes? Chad Reed your hall pass?

Um, yeah.

How about you Dustin? Who do you hang out with?

Um

man, that’s tough. I hang out with somebody like dale earnhardt jr.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah, I just think that was cool too. Like I did like a senate seems like a really cool grounded dude and probably has so much going on in his head and be interesting. You sit around them for a day.

Yeah, exactly. Then Not to mention legend, right? Yeah,

bro. If we weren’t talking about boys, I would say pink then.

That’s actually pretty cool.

Yeah. That’d be a fun one. Actually, if you hang out with pink that means you get to hang out with the whole crew, right? So you get like all for it like the kids and everybody, and you get to hang out with Carrie Hart. Yeah. So Dustin might have already hung out with Carrie Hart. I got to hang out with Carrie when we’re doing Supergrass stuff. So that was fun. But it was before you’re paying, so there’s no benefit for you there.

Yeah, we grew up racing, racing around the same times.

What’s an excellent case? Okay, so barsha or web? These are profiling questions, obviously. Yeah.

When?

Marsha,

Marsha, yes, a split house, so we didn’t get to talk about Supercross because we were on like, a time crunch at the beginning of the show. But Dude, that second Moto, that Porsche was Dude, that was so sick.

That was pretty unreal. I mean, it’s gonna just crush them. They was coming down hard and couldn’t you know he caught him back from like, what five Six seconds back. But when he gets back, he changes his mind and decides to rip the rest of the model. Yeah, but

knowing the mindset of like, and I don’t know Justin at all I know Tom Danielson, Justin’s trainer, and like, knowing the mindset of those dudes have like, Justin just catching up to them, dude, they’re gonna like use that for the whole rest of the season, man. Sure. Oh, yeah.

What I’m most pumped about is like that. He’s always like, ridiculously fast at times, but he’s been ridiculously fast like, three weeks in a row. Yeah. Which which is pretty cool. Like it there’s hope for it to go for the whole season, you know,

right and but not to like discount like the web answer, though, that Elizabeth said, like, well, first of all, the orange wags the KTM web, like I’m getting the horned pattern here. But like Casey is all about the racecraft. And I think Dustin even has some of that web racecraft in him. I’m sure you know what I mean? Dude,

don’t get me wrong. I like Webb but he’s like out of the picture right now. So right.

Yep. If it was barsha read obviously. Elizabeth What? A favorite food.

Sushi.

Mexican. We got Chinese tonight. It was amazing.

Oh another San Diego carne asada burritos. Yeah. Our that’s what we actually we got another question going down But yeah, I think that Yeah, we do but this is another answer that we know because Dustin says he cooked Yeah, right. So, so we know your cooking skills you told us so I know the answer. So ready. Here we go. Little Smokies or pizza rolls.

Well, smokey, nice.

Yeah.

It’s another split house though. favorite, favorite soda.

FC FC. Oh man, I’m just cocky. I thought

we were gonna get one Dr. Pepper out of them. I know I thought so too. All right. Oh, these are crocs

what oh Uggs or crocs? Oh,

neither is either question Neither

is there an all of the above? So like Casey said, a lot of these are profiling questions. So I always like to tell everybody, at least in most of the shows that Uggs are for like mostly Dune guys, right. And then the crocs are usually for people down south. Like we’d like to think that they can put them in four wheel drive by putting up that much. Okay, well, we kind of already asked this but most memorable race, so this could be any of your races and I always tell everybody in preferences like mine was honest, Suzuki at Glen Helen, what I battled Shawn Hamlin like Oscar Valdez, and those kids because I got to Get down the first turn. And by the end of the race I had passed everybody and I barely missed, like by a wheel passing Shawn Hamlin at the finish line, so that was my most memorable one.

That’s pretty good. That’s a good one right there.

That’s right.

That’s what I thought was memorable race.

Um, well, behind me is my X Games bronze medal that I got in 2009. I believe. Nice for winning Supercross.

That’s a memorable one. Yeah, I love her. She’s like asking me Do I just smoked everybody? Love it.

It’s great. Okay, well then behind me.

is the number one jersey that I won? The last race of a perfect season. I call it crossing.

Ooh, that’s a good one. Yeah, it is.

Yeah.

Yeah, drop the mic. Favorite Flavor of ice cream.

Oh, I don’t want you to judge nutty coconut. No judging. That’s a good one.

No, it’s interesting.

I like men chick.

So I was just gonna I was just gonna say that like Elizabeth like answer was like so good because everybody picks mint chocolate chip but now I got to be addicted Dustin when I say that right and so I like that because like when I think of like ice cream I’m like waiting, waiting waiting for somebody to be like, oh, pistachio or like paylines like give me the like real good ones right? But everybody always does a mint chocolate chip gold medal ribbon. Yeah, exactly. Um, ski or snowboard.

Oh, ski, but I can’t do either, so I can’t do either.

I never even tried either one.

We Me neither

do wheels.

I like dirt. No way. Are you seriously how to take this out like So wintertime is right before the season so I never tried either because I was always worried I was in yet broken. Yep,

that’s actually a really good point. I thought of that. Definitely. That’s crazy though. I feel like Dustin would be good at at both because he’s so competitive right

now because I have a buddy that was like, dude, you should be you should come

go jetski the surf with us and I’m like, no, no. All my like I’m really skilled on dirt. But when I hit water, all my skills go out the fucking window. Oh, I really want. I can’t surf. I can just ski but not great. I wouldn’t trust myself like doing the surf launching waves. What about swimming?

swimming, swimming. Okay,

well skills. I’m good guy skating. He can’t escape.

That’s sketchy. She’s gonna lose a digit and then he can’t hold on.

Here’s his answer kind of goes back to what I always say to everybody. Like, I wanted to make a name for myself. So I get into off road racing. So I did the whole bicycle riding and Iron Man and stuff. But to this day still like when I went up to like, I couldn’t swim at all. Like, I could drink beer in the pool. That’s it. Like I couldn’t swim for shit. And then like, even when I went and swam in Oceanside for the Ironman, I still drink water today. Yeah, that’s crazy. It’s sucked like I was horrible at it. So I’m with you on the whole state in the dirt thing.

But here’s a funny story real quick. When I was first racing when I first turned pro and started racing nationals, I went to Glen Helen was my first ever national in the first moto I started 22nd I went all the way to sixth. got so tired that I started falling down like crazy and ended up 22nd I just missed No way. The second one I know is on the line already tired. So I talked to Larry Brooks, who was a team manager at that time for another team and I was like, dude, you know, he was a good privateer for a long time and I’m like, dude, I need to get in sleep. I was a kid, you know? And, and he’s like, swim. So I started swimming for to train for racing. And I talked to him a few weeks later, and I’m like, dude, I suck at swimming. He’s like, that’s even better.

Your Workout? Yeah.

And I’m like, okay, so I just stuck with it forever.

Dude, he’s exactly right though. You can probably attest to the whole swimming thing like whole body dude, it is for sure.

Full Body good breathing rhythm there’s a lot of good stuff.

Alright dogs or cats.

Oh dogs. We have both but alright dogs. Yeah, I gave this kid cuz she treats the cat like crap all the time.

I seen it and glance litter box good to go.

And all it does is knock stuff off. Everything.

Yes, yeah.

All right, Netflix or YouTube?

Netflix Netflix, dude, I’m telling you YouTube’s got a lot of good content.

I am duralife Yep.

Here’s another one we already know burrito or taco.

Ah to say taco.

I go Bria.

Yeah, see, so we already did that. So I was gonna do that. So you know Josh shorter, right? So he, oh yeah, so Josh picked California burrito he was even more specific details. Yeah, exactly. So, uh, let’s see here. Oh, this one’s actually gonna be a good one. I don’t know what Elizabeth is gonna answer on this. I kind of Yeah, you do. Yeah, she X Games it? I don’t know. I think she might start Supercross or motocross.

Ooh. Um,

I’m gonna say Supercross

you are okay, so Casey was right. I kind of felt like she was leaning towards motocross. But what about you doesn’t

To watch Supercross to ride motocross.

Oh, you’re gonna pick both. Yeah.

So, Casey I mean,

yeah, I love the motocross like for the guys just the grit of the guys hanging out for that long because I can relate to that better. I was better at motocross. I was sketchy in Supercross, but Supercross just has the lights and it’s this has a little bit more excitement behind it. I mean, the flare,

yeah, yeah. Casey was like all wouldn’t 100% Supercross and I think I was more of the motocross due to like, so we What’s the next one? What other form of racing Would you like to try? Okay, so don’t answer this just yet. You can preface it could be jetski racing boat racing f1 or buggies, swamp buggies or even like somebody that’s sitting here in the studio might like monster trucks. I don’t know. I’m not gonna name names.

me. Oh, I I just started mountain biking. I’m not very good at all. Um, but if they had like a women’s first timer,

like 30 plus 30 plus only a pill.

She’s trying to like classify it to where she can win.

Yeah, I don’t download Strava and now I’m way too competitive. Yeah, I was gonna say, Be careful. That was.

Yeah, you fallen into the Strava Yeah.

Everybody says there’s gonna be fine and for now on Yes. Um, again, Joshua, what’s the race that he won? What was it called the mountain bike race? Oh, he won dual slalom at the sea otter sea otter. That’s what it was.

Yeah, I think yeah.

So hey,

yeah, great. It

really is. Well, I just wanted to throw it out there. So because I didn’t want her to just have a Strava goal. I was thinking like more like a real goal. She could probably throw on downhill gear and what Half of the women that I know because of

the hills. This is what we argue about on non bike rides. She’s a professional dirt bike racer zactly. She should rip downhill. She’s a snail downhill. It’s horrible.

What about that 24 hour race Like what? What are there more races like that where you got to be like in like, yeah, maybe maybe that’s your thing. Maybe you just want to go do the crazy endurance stuff.

Because you have to go up

because you have the bike handling skills like like Dustin said, so you’re already 50 times higher than half of the field. There you go. That’s your new thing. Do I see Oh, damn. Bike champion in the making, right? Yeah. What about you Dustin? What other form racing? Would you like to try?

Um,

I’d like to try some pavement racing at some point.

I’ve done nearly everything in dirt. So

will you ever did some circles stuff in dirt to remember that

yeah, I mean, not really race. I did a lot of development on the r1 dt that Yamaha was developing for a couple years. But um, we did one like exhibition race in it and then the project got cancelled. So it was, it was sad, but

is that what makes you lean towards the dirt or the pavement side? like to answer that way?

Um, no, no, I mean, I think that dirt oval would be really fun too. It was just like, I’ve kind of spent a good amount of time on dirt on the dirt oval during development. I just think that pavement would be like, totally new and new challenge is trying to you know, force myself to try and be good at something else. So,

you know, I kind of I kind of thought he was gonna answer well similar that I thought he’s gonna say Moto GP. That’s what I thought he was gonna say,

Oh, no Moto GP or f1. And those are two of my favorite things to watch on TV.

So yeah, that’s what I was gonna say to like they’re so freakin not like If you wadded up my Moto GP like I feel like dead like automatically, right? Like Yeah, it is.

Yeah, but you don’t think about that going in

first. Oh, yeah, you think about how much fun it’s gonna be.

He’s gonna think about how cool would be to win. Yeah.

All right, what’s the last question case? I think it’s you. Oh, it’s me. It’s you. Yeah, we skipped Okay, so chips and guacamole or french fries and ketchup.

Oh, oh chips. Oh, Kamali for sure. I’m not a real sauce person. So I don’t even need ketchup for my fries.

And I’m like the one Southern California guy that doesn’t like all the cod or guacamole salty fries and ketchup. Dude.

That’s not true though. Steve Westfall? Yeah, yep. De Westfall is Fred fries and ketchup. Ketchup.

Yeah. It’s good to see

you if you do. If you do a chips and salsa I’m down with that but not GWAC

you just don’t like the avocado. Are you allergic?

Yeah, no, I’m not allergic. I just don’t do it. All right, I’m a texture. Yeah, I like the texture.

Oh, I gotcha. Nothing slimy.

All right. Well, that’s all for our rapid fire q&a, you guys pass the test wonderfully. So good job. We really appreciate it. So a while Thank you very much, Elizabeth for making a VIP appearance. We really appreciate it. Thanks for sharing. What was it probably only maybe 15 or 20% of your Motorsports story does then. So we really appreciate you getting in depth with our audience and answering all their questions and stuff though to really cool.

prom man. I appreciate you guys having me on it was fun talking with you guys. bringing out some old memories brought on everything. It was cool. Yeah,

the old truck I can’t get the old truck out of my mind and I’m bummed out that I am bummed out that I blew it that would that was a little dodge. So we we had before the blue

was it Ah, no, it was like brown rust color. So before

the show was we had always has these bikes in it. That’s why I can’t forget it. Yeah. Oh, because

that was the coolest thing about it. So for audience members that are listening right now or watching we had a little conversation before the show started about trucks so everybody’s had this truck this conversation with somebody I’m sure the memories that they have gone to the track and what they saw in the you know, fast riders and different things like that. Well, the one that we came up with Dustin was he had an old truck and you thought it was a that was a Nissan or a Datsun a Datsun but it was a Dodge that was the same thing. And it had men bikes in the back. Well, it was just awesome for the baddest dude to show up in that old truck with those perfect bikes that’s what Yeah, stood out to me was like, I’m getting here however I need to get here and then I’m gonna wax ukai so that’s, that’s how I looked at it. So that’s cool.

Yeah. thing about that truck was like me and pops would drive that truck like all over So Cal over Arizona race. No big deal but we were up at a sponsor of mines house one time this guy Ted hybrid that owned a CLT like designs. Oh, yeah. Those were awesome stuff. Yep. And Ken needed to use my truck to like run to the store real quick and he came back. Oh, and he’s like, holy shit. I see why your arms can hold on for that long as a truck. Power steering. Yes.

Like I had arm pump leaving the parking lot missing and I’m like is good training is driving.

Perfect. Deer That’s awesome. We just had Ryan Edwards from KMC wheels talking about that he didn’t have power steering at a dp for race that he just didn’t his players razor the whole time. He’s like, dude, motocross racing, like arm pump is like 10 times less than any type of four wheel arm pump.

Yeah, I was I was watching you guys. That was that was crazy. That’d be tough.

Yeah, but not for you. Not for after driving the dog.

I’ve probably gotten soft in my old age, you know,

your medium age, bro.

No, he’s old.

He’s a nice, nice, call me a little.

We’ll take it. Hey. All right. Well, thank you very much, Elizabeth. And thanks, Dustin, for joining us tonight, man. It was really, really cool to have you on the show. We really appreciate it. So we’ll let you guys get back to whatever you guys got planned for tonight.

All right, sure. It’s coming back off.

Yellowstone sweatshirt, like the TV show. Yes, yes. Kevin Costner. Oh, I get Okay. Yes.

All right. My wife and I are into that. Hey, is it good shows? All right. I’ve been wanting to get on it. It’s great. Is it pretty good? Yep. All right, so I’m gonna have to push aside some of my YouTube content get on Netflix. All right. Thanks, guys. We really appreciate it. Thanks so much, Dustin. And did you have it? Thanks, God, we’re not just yet Did you have anybody other than pops that you wanted to thank before you hang up?

I mean, I’m good. Like, you know, obviously we talked about Yamaha plenty during this thing. They’ve been a supporter of my deal for a long time. And you know, I’m wearing gvcw shirt they take good care of me still.

I’m more of the personal people like the guys like me that push you around the track so many times. Elizabeth told you to haul ass.

Talk about when he’s asked me so hard at wildhorse that my steering wheel broke off my car on the back straightaway. Ouch. Did I really do miss?

I had somebody do that to me too. Yeah.

No, um, yeah, I remember I I think it was the last race of the maybe it was the shootout weekend of the big series and 17 men you hit so hard after that. Three rollers into the sweeper like into the last corner we hit so hard. And then I go down the front straight through turn one and I go off the jump on the bat on the back straight and, and my steering wheel just folded like Oh, I remember you

telling me about that. I’m so, so gnarly. I was like dammit, George. We do so hard. I remember and I was so upset too. Like I was like I went

over and apologize Yeah.

Do that.

Yeah, that type of year that she was happening to me every weekend.

I remember that man. Well hey Elizabeth yell at Brian open the spotter.

Oh yeah, she probably yelled.

Yet no wonder Brian likes.

Well, dude, honestly, like I really do appreciate that whole 2016 year because that was like the highlight of my whole side by side racing career too, as it’s Sounds like yours was too that was just a fun year man ever remember even seeing Elizabeth on the track dude, we’re all having a good time.

Yeah, it was fun. It was. It was good times it was learning so much about all the new cars and you know driving against new people and all that stuff all year it was. It was a lot of fun.

Super cool, man. Well, hey, thank you very much for everything you’ve done for the industry as well. So I really appreciate both you guys coming on the show. And thank you, Dustin. We will see you soon at the track. I’m sure.

Sounds good. We’ll see you guys. Thanks. Take care.

Later. See ya. Man, that was super cool. It’s really, really awesome to be able to talk about all that stuff, man, especially

just understanding you know how the Motorsports world just

has so many similarities for every single person that’s in it, right? Mm hmm. I just think that’s so cool. I love to hear how he just followed the it wasn’t a passion for like the bike or the next thing. It was like the passion to just race. Yeah. like, Okay, I’m gonna reinvent myself with adding two more wheels. Yeah, what he wanted to do, right and then, okay, let’s go in the cage. You know what I mean? That’s, that’s awesome. I love and also following opportunities. Oh yeah, absolutely. So it’s neat to be able to understand that too, because and you have to create those opportunities for yourself, right? Like you can’t just like, they don’t just happen. I mean, that opportunity kind of happened with Yamaha. But he created it by being a test writer for so long and showing how valuable he was as a person to the grading and when they come around, not missing them. Yeah, absolutely. And jumping on him. So I think that’s super cool. I really, I really, really, honestly, I still look up to Dustin ever since day one since we went out to brown oaks and saw him as a fast racer. And since I you know, sama did side by side races, it was cool to see and it’s neat to be able to understand what type of person he is. He’s a good dude and you know, a good family and stuff too. So sure. I really appreciate Dustin and Elizabeth for coming on to really appreciate them taking The time. So next week, our featured guest is one of our guys that helped us out in our racing program. Jimmy Moore, he helped out with suspension for us for 2017. But knowing what we just talked about Dustin, like when we went up to Reno and and seeing Jimmy with his family, they let us come to their house and just understanding what who they are as people. That’s the reason I want to have him on the show is because he’s such a good family man. And they just have the same passion that Dustin and all of us have for Motorsports in general. They just love being out in the dirt. So we can’t wait to have Jimmy on the show next week. Thank you very much, everybody for joining us tonight. We really appreciate it. Thank you to all of our sponsors, shock therapy KMC wheels owns racing products, rugged radios, solder weld, all of those places you can use the code dirt life, to save yourself a whole bunch of money and just get better service and everything with those guys. So please thank our sponsors by supporting them. And like I said, Thank you guys very, very much for joining us tonight. It’s a our lifeblood, you guys are always our lifeblood. And we really appreciate you staying with us and hanging out. Join us on social media anytime at The Dirt Life Show, you can hit us up on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, all that. So please subscribe to our channel, follow us. And look at the show on iTunes as well. If you are driving, don’t watch it on YouTube. So like I said, Thank you guys very, very much for joining us really appreciate all the great questions. Yeah, Tyrone. Thanks, buddy. Yeah, it’s really cool to see when you have all of these people joining us. I don’t know if we had anybody else comment in. But we really appreciate all the stuff that you guys have done for us and how you guys are making the show bigger and better for us every time. So thank you very much. You got anything else case? I think we’re good. Cool, man. Well, thank you guys very much for joining us. We will see you guys next week. We love you. Good night. Thanks for listening to The Dirt Life Show.